From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, dkegel@google.com,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/9] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:39:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070821003922.GD8414@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1187644449.5337.48.camel@lappy>
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 11:14:08PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 13:27 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > > > Plus the same issue can happen today. Writes are usually not completed
> > > > during reclaim. If the writes are sufficiently deferred then you have the
> > > > same issue now.
> > >
> > > Once we have initiated (disk) writeout we do not need more memory to
> > > complete it, all we need to do is wait for the completion interrupt.
> >
> > We cannot reclaim the page as long as the I/O is not complete. If you
> > have too many anonymous pages and the rest of memory is dirty then you can
> > get into OOM scenarios even without this patch.
>
> As long as the reserve is large enough to completely initialize writeout
> of a single page we can make progress. Once writeout is initialized the
> completion interrupt is guaranteed to happen (assuming working
> hardware).
Although interestingly, we are not guaranteed to have enough memory to
completely initialise writeout of a single page.
The buffer layer doesn't require disk blocks to be allocated at page
dirty-time. Allocating disk blocks can require complex filesystem operations
and readin of buffer cache pages. The buffer_head structures themselves may
not even be present and must be allocated :P
In _practice_, this isn't such a problem because we have dirty limits, and
we're almost guaranteed to have some clean pages to be reclaimed. In this
same way, networked filesystems are not a problem in practice. However
network swap, because there is no dirty limits on swap, can actually see
the deadlock problems.
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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-14 15:30 [RFC 0/9] Reclaim during GFP_ATOMIC allocs Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 1/9] Allow reclaim via __GFP_NOMEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 2/9] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set Christoph Lameter
2007-08-18 7:10 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-20 19:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 20:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20 20:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 21:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20 21:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-21 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-21 0:39 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-08-21 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23 3:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-23 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23 10:11 ` Nikita Danilov
2007-08-23 13:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-24 4:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 3/9] Make cond_rescheds conditional on __GFP_WAIT Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 4/9] Atomic reclaim: Save irq flags in vmscan.c Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 20:02 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 19:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 20:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 20:34 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 20:33 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 20:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 20:44 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:23 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:29 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:44 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:56 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 22:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 22:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 22:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 5/9] Save irqflags on taking the mapping lock Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 6/9] Disable irqs on taking the private_lock Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 7/9] Save flags in swap.c Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 8/9] Reclaim on an atomic allocation if necessary Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 9/9] Testing: Perform GFP_ATOMIC overallocation Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 2:49 ` [RFC 0/9] Reclaim during GFP_ATOMIC allocs Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 20:24 ` Christoph Lameter
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