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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:23:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070806202323.GH11115@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070806102922.907530000@chello.nl>

On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:29:22PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> In the interrest of getting swap over network working and posting in smaller
> series, here is the first series.
> 
> This series lays the foundations needed to do reserve based allocation.
> Traditionally we have used mempools (and others like radix_tree_preload) to
> handle the problem.
> 
> However this does not fit the network stack. It is built around variable
> sized allocations using kmalloc().
> 
> This calls for a different approach.

One wonders if containers are a possible solution. I can already solve
this problem with virtualization: have one VM manage all the network
I/O and export the device as a simpler virtual block device to other
VMs. Provided this VM isn't doing any "real" work and is sized
appropriately, it won't get wedged. Since the other VMs now submit I/O
through the simpler block interface, they can avoid getting wedged
with the standard mempool approach.

If we can run nbd and friends inside their own container that can give
similar isolation, we might not need to add this other complexity.

Just food for thought. I haven't looked closely enough at the
containers implementations yet to determine whether this is possible
or if the overhead in performance or complexity is acceptable.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-06 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-06 10:29 Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: gfp_to_alloc_flags() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:21     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:43         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:11         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:42       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:48         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:51           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:15             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 21:05                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 22:59                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 23:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 23:49                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 22:18                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08 18:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-08 18:09                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-09 18:41                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-09 18:49                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  0:17                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  1:48                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  3:34                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  3:48                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  8:15                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10 17:46                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10 23:25                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:55                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 23:04                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 23:16                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 22:47                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: tag reseve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:13     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:34     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 18:43       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:59           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 19:09             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 19:16               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:38               ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:18               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: slub: add knowledge of reserve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08  0:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  1:44     ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-08 17:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 17:39         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-08 17:57           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 18:46             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-10  1:54               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  2:01                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20  7:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  7:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:12     ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-08-20  9:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:28         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-08-20 19:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 20:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: allow mempool to fall back to memalloc reserves Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: kmem_estimate_pages() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: allow PF_MEMALLOC from softirq context Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: serialize access to min_free_kbytes Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: emergency pool Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: __GFP_MEMALLOC Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 17:35 ` [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:40     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:31     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:53         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 17:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:23 ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-08-07  0:09   ` Daniel Phillips

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