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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:59:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708061559.41680.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708061404300.3116@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Monday 06 August 2007 14:05, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > That is possible if one
> > > would make sure that the network layer triggers reclaim once in a
> > > while.
> >
> > This does not make sense, we cannot reclaim from reclaim.
>
> But we should limit the amounts of allocation we do while performing
> reclaim...

Correct.  That is what the throttling part of these patches is about.  
In order to fix the vm writeout deadlock problem properly, two things 
are necessary:

  1) Throttle the vm writeout path to use a bounded amount of memory

  2) Provide access to a sufficiently large amount of reserve memory for 
each memory user in the vm writeout path

You can understand every detail of this patch set and the following ones 
coming from Peter in terms of those two requirements.

> F.e. refilling memory pools during reclaim should be disabled.

Actually, recursing into the vm should be disabled entirely but that is 
a rather deeply ingrained part of mm culture we do not propose to 
fiddle with just now.

Memory pools are refilled when the pool user frees some memory, not ever 
by the mm.

Regards,

Daniel

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-06 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-06 10:29 [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: gfp_to_alloc_flags() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:21     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:43         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:11         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:42       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:48         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:51           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:15             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 21:05                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 22:59                     ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2007-08-06 23:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 23:49                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 22:18                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08 18:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-08 18:09                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-09 18:41                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-09 18:49                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  0:17                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  1:48                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  3:34                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  3:48                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  8:15                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10 17:46                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10 23:25                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:55                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 23:04                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 23:16                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 22:47                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: tag reseve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:13     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:34     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 18:43       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:59           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 19:09             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 19:16               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:38               ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:18               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: slub: add knowledge of reserve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08  0:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  1:44     ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-08 17:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 17:39         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-08 17:57           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 18:46             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-10  1:54               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  2:01                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20  7:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  7:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:12     ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-08-20  9:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:28         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-08-20 19:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 20:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: allow mempool to fall back to memalloc reserves Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: kmem_estimate_pages() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: allow PF_MEMALLOC from softirq context Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: serialize access to min_free_kbytes Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: emergency pool Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: __GFP_MEMALLOC Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 17:35 ` [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:40     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:31     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:53         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 17:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:23 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-07  0:09   ` Daniel Phillips

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