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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:47:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708061547.30681.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708061315510.7603@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

(What Peter already wrote, but in different words)

On Monday 06 August 2007 13:19, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> The solution may be as simple as configuring the reserves right and
> avoid the unbounded memory allocations.

Exactly.  That is what this patch set is about.  This is the part that 
provides some hooks to extend the traditional reserves to be able to 
handle some of the more difficult situations.

> That is possible if one 
> would make sure that the network layer triggers reclaim once in a
> while.

No.  It does no good at all for network to do a bunch of work 
reclaiming, then have some other random task (for example, a heavy 
writer) swoop in and grab the reclaimed memory before net can use it.  
Also, net allocates memory in interrupt context where shrink_caches is 
not possible.  The correct solution is to _reserve_ the memory net 
needs for vm writeout, which is in Peter's next patch set coming down 
the pipe.

Regards,

Daniel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-06 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-06 10:29 [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: gfp_to_alloc_flags() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:21     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:43         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:11         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:42       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:48         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:51           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:15             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 21:05                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 22:59                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 23:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 23:49                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 22:18                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08 18:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-08 18:09                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-09 18:41                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-09 18:49                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  0:17                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  1:48                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  3:34                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  3:48                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  8:15                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10 17:46                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10 23:25                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:55                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 23:04                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 23:16                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 22:47                 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: tag reseve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:13     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:34     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 18:43       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:59           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 19:09             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 19:16               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:38               ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:18               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: slub: add knowledge of reserve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08  0:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  1:44     ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-08 17:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 17:39         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-08 17:57           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 18:46             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-10  1:54               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  2:01                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20  7:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  7:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:12     ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-08-20  9:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:28         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-08-20 19:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 20:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: allow mempool to fall back to memalloc reserves Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: kmem_estimate_pages() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: allow PF_MEMALLOC from softirq context Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: serialize access to min_free_kbytes Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: emergency pool Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: __GFP_MEMALLOC Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 17:35 ` [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:40     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:31     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:53         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 17:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:23 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-07  0:09   ` Daniel Phillips

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