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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: make swappiness safer to use
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:49:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070731164938.aad531b5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46AFC676.4030907@mbligh.org>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:32:06 -0700
Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org> wrote:

> > Anyway, we can say more if we see the patch (or, more accurately, the
> > analysis which comes with that patch).
> 
> I must say, I don't see what's wrong with killing it and having it
> local. We're rotating the list all the time, IIRC ... so if we start
> off with only 1/2^12th of the list ... does it matter? we'll just
> crank it up higher fairly quickly. Not sure why we want to start
> with the same chunk size we did last time.

This scenario:

- a thread goes into shrink_active_list(), does scan, scan, scan, finding
  only mapped pages.

- eventually, we reach a sufficiently high priority to flip into
  reclaim-mapped mode.

- now, we quickly move SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX pages onto the inactive list, and
  we're done.

So we scanned a few thousand pages, then moved 32-odd down to the inactive
list.

Now, someone else comes in and does some reclaim.  It would be bad to scan
another few thousand pages and to then move 32-odd pages down to the
inactive list.  Think what that pattern looks like: lumps of 32-pages with a
few thousand pages between them getting deactivated.

To fix this, we attempt to start scanning out in the state which it was
originally in: ie, the state which this caller to shrink_active_list()
would have discovered for himself _anyway_.  After enough pages have been
pointlessly recirculated.


Can the current implemetnation make mistakes?  Sure.  But I'd suggest that
it will make far less than (thousands/32) mistakes.

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      reply	other threads:[~2007-07-31 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-31 21:52 Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-31 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31 22:40   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-31 22:51     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31 23:02       ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]         ` <20070801011925.GB20109@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-01  1:19           ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]           ` <20070801012222.GA20565@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-01  1:22             ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]             ` <20070801013208.GA20085@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-01  1:32               ` Fengguang Wu
2007-08-01  2:33               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-06 18:21                 ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                   ` <20070807050032.GA16179@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-07  5:00                     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-11-12  2:07                     ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2007-08-01  2:30           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-31 23:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31 23:23   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-31 23:32   ` Martin Bligh
2007-07-31 23:49     ` Andrew Morton [this message]

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