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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: How can we make page replacement smarter (was: swap-prefetch)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:11:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707281411.57823.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46AAEFC4.8000006@redhat.com>

Chris Snook wrote:
> Al Boldi wrote:
> > Because it is hard to quantify the expected swap-in speed for random
> > pages, let's first tackle the swap-in of consecutive pages, which should
> > be at least as fast as swap-out.  So again, why is swap-in so slow?
>
> If I'm writing 20 pages to swap, I can find a suitable chunk of swap and
> write them all in one place.  If I'm reading 20 pages from swap, they
> could be anywhere.  Also, writes get buffered at one or more layers of
> hardware.

Ok, this explains swap-in of random pages.  Makes sense, but it doesn't 
explain the awful tmpfs performance degradation of consecutive read-in runs 
from swap, which should have at least stayed constant

> At best, reads can be read-ahead and cached, which is why
> sequential swap-in sucks less.  On-demand reads are as expensive as I/O
> can get.

Which means that it should be at least as fast as swap-out, even faster 
because write to disk is usually slower than read on modern disks.  But 
linux currently shows a distinct 2x slowdown for sequential swap-in wrt 
swap-out.  And to prove this point, just try suspend to disk where you can 
see sequential swap-out being reported at about twice the speed of 
sequential swap-in on resume.  Why is that?


Thanks!

--
Al

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-28 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200707272243.02336.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-28  1:56 ` swap-prefetch: A smart way to make good use of idle resources (was: updatedb) Chris Snook
2007-07-28  4:17   ` How can we make page replacement smarter (was: swap-prefetch) Al Boldi
2007-07-28  7:27     ` Chris Snook
2007-07-28 11:11       ` Al Boldi [this message]
2007-07-29  4:07         ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  6:40           ` Erblichs
2007-07-29  1:46     ` How can we make page replacement smarter Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 13:09       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 15:01         ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 14:55       ` Al Boldi
2007-07-28  4:18   ` swap-prefetch: A smart way to make good use of idle resources (was: updatedb) Al Boldi
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     [not found] ` <fa.FI89MRq1q0M+6SmmYNPsXQv2gC8@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa./S2LBynIjozRhHfPsYxB9mQDpKE@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.0CL7DLsw6U7akTkW79pdCM5NPRk@ifi.uio.no>
2007-07-28 16:32       ` How can we make page replacement smarter (was: swap-prefetch) Robert Hancock

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