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From: "Björn Steinbrink" <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Frank Kingswood <frank@kingswood-consulting.co.uk>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>, ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23]
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 02:08:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070728000823.GA14933@atjola.homenet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070727232919.GA8960@one.firstfloor.org>

On 2007.07.28 01:29:19 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Any faults in that reasoning?
> 
> GNU sort uses a merge sort with temporary files on disk. Not sure
> how much it keeps in memory during that, but it's probably less
> than 150MB. At some point the dirty limit should kick in and write back the 
> data of the temporary files; so it's not quite the same as anonymous memory. 
> But it's not that different given.

Hm, does that change anything? The files need to be read at the end (so
they go into the cache) and are delete afterwards (cache gets freed I
guess?).

> It would be better to measure than to guess. At least Andrew's measurements
> on 128MB actually didn't show updatedb being really that big a problem.

Here's a before/after memory usage for an updatedb run:
root@atjola:~# free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:          2011       1995         15          0        269        779
-/+ buffers/cache:        946       1064
Swap:         1945          0       1945
root@atjola:~# updatedb
root@atjola:~# free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:          2011       1914         96          0        209        746
-/+ buffers/cache:        958       1052
Swap:         1945          0       1944

81MB more unused RAM afterwards.

If anyone can make use of that, here's a snippet from /proc/$PID/smaps
of updatedb's sort process, when it was at about its peak memory usage
(according to the RSS column in top), which was about 50MB.

2b90ab3c1000-2b90ae4c3000 rw-p 2b90ab3c1000 00:00 0 
Size:              50184 kB
Rss:               50184 kB
Shared_Clean:          0 kB
Shared_Dirty:          0 kB
Private_Clean:         0 kB
Private_Dirty:     50184 kB
Referenced:        50184 kB

> Perhaps some people have much more files or simply a less efficient
> updatedb implementation?

sort (GNU coreutils) 5.97

GNU updatedb version 4.2.31

> I guess the people who complain here that loudly really need to supply
> some real numbers. 

Just to clarify: I'm not complaining either way, neither about not
merging swap prefetch, nor about someone wanting that to be merge. It
was rather the "discussion" that caught my attention... Just in case ;-)

Bjorn

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Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070710013152.ef2cd200.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-07-10 10:15 ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Con Kolivas
2007-07-11  1:02   ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11  1:14     ` [ck] " Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  1:52       ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11  4:25         ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11  2:21       ` Ira Snyder
2007-07-11  3:37         ` timotheus
2007-07-11  2:54       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11  5:18         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  5:47           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11  5:54             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  6:04               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11  6:24                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  7:50                   ` swap prefetch (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11  6:00             ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  3:59       ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2007-07-11 12:26       ` Kevin Winchester
2007-07-11 12:36         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-12 12:06       ` Kacper Wysocki
2007-07-12 12:35         ` Avuton Olrich
2007-07-22 23:11   ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-23 23:08   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-24  3:22     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  4:53       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  5:10         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24  5:18           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  5:16         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 16:11           ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 - Completely Fair Swap Prefetch Frank Kingswood
2007-07-25  0:59             ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24 16:15           ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Ray Lee
2007-07-25  4:06             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:55               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  5:00                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  5:12                 ` david
2007-07-25  5:30                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  5:51                     ` david
2007-07-25  7:14                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25  8:18                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:28                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25  8:43                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 10:53                             ` [ck] " Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 11:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 12:39                                 ` Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 13:30                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 13:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 17:33                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-25 20:35                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26  2:32                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-26  4:13                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 10:22                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-25 11:34                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 11:40                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 11:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 16:08                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25 22:05                               ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-25 22:22                                 ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 22:27                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25 22:28                                 ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-25 23:45                                 ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-25 16:02                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:55                       ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 21:28                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  1:15                       ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26  1:32                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  3:16                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26 22:30                         ` Michael Chang
2007-07-25  5:30                 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  5:37                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  5:53                     ` david
2007-07-25  6:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:23                         ` david
2007-07-25  7:25                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  7:49                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25  7:58                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  8:15                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 10:41                         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25  6:19                     ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  6:30                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-25  7:19                         ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  6:44                     ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 16:09                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  4:57                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  5:53                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26  6:06                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  6:17                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26  6:33                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  6:50                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  7:43                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  7:59                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-28  0:24                             ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-26 14:19                         ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-26 18:13                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 22:04                             ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 22:33                               ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 23:27                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 23:29                                   ` david
2007-07-26 23:39                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-27  0:12                                       ` david
2007-07-28  0:12                         ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-28  3:42                         ` Daniel Cheng
2007-07-28  9:35                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-25 17:55                     ` Frank A. Kingswood
2007-07-25  6:09               ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  6:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 16:19               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:46               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26  8:38                 ` Frank Kingswood
2007-07-26  9:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26  9:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  9:40                       ` RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23] Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:09                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-27  0:33                             ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30  9:33                               ` Helge Hafting
2007-07-26 10:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:38                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 12:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-26 18:05                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  5:12                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  7:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  8:47                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  8:54                                     ` Al Viro
2007-07-27  9:02                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  9:40                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 10:00                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 10:25                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 17:45                                         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 18:16                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 19:43                                             ` david
2007-07-28  7:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28  8:55                                                 ` david
2007-07-28 10:11                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28 11:21                                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 16:29                                                       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-28 21:03                                                       ` david
2007-07-29  8:11                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 13:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 14:07                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 14:58                                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 14:59                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 15:20                                                                 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 15:36                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 16:04                                                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 16:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:19                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 17:33                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:52                                                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 19:05                                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:53                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 19:33                                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:00                                                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 20:18                                                                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:23                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 21:06                                                                       ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:00                                                     ` david
2007-07-29 10:09                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 11:41                                                         ` david
2007-07-29 14:01                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 21:19                                                             ` david
2007-08-06  2:14                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06  2:22                                                                 ` david
2007-08-06  9:21                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06  9:55                                                                     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-07-28 15:56                                                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:06                                                     ` david
2007-07-28 21:48                                                       ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 20:28                                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28  5:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 23:15                                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-27 23:29                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-28  0:08                                                 ` Björn Steinbrink [this message]
2007-07-28  1:10                                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29 12:53                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-28  7:35                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28  8:51                                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 22:08                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 22:51                                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28  7:48                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-28 15:36                                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29  1:33                                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  3:39                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:20                         ` Al Viro
2007-07-26 12:23                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26 14:59                             ` Al Viro
2007-07-11 20:41                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-27 19:19                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-26 13:05                         ` Fredrik Klasson
2007-07-31 16:37               ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-06  2:11                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:46             ` david
2007-07-25  8:00               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:07                 ` david
2007-07-25  8:29                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:31                     ` david
2007-07-25  8:33                       ` david
2007-07-25 10:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 15:55               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:16                 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-27  0:28                   ` Magnus Naeslund
2007-07-24  5:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  6:01           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  6:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  9:38             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-07-25  1:26           ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  1:35             ` David Miller, Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24  0:08   ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-11 11:39 ` buffered write patches, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 17:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:23 ` lguest, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 15:45   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-11 18:04   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  1:21   ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:28     ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:48       ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:51         ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  3:15           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  3:35             ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  4:24         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  4:52           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 11:10             ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-19 17:27             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-20  3:27               ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-20  7:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-12  0:54 ` fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Nick Piggin
2007-07-12  2:31   ` block_page_mkwrite? (Re: fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23)) David Chinner
2007-07-12  2:42     ` Nick Piggin

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