From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so601654ugf for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz Subject: Re: [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:22:50 +0200 References: <200707260432.52739.bzolnier@gmail.com> <46A81F67.1040502@garzik.org> In-Reply-To: <46A81F67.1040502@garzik.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707261222.50487.bzolnier@gmail.com> Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Return-Path: To: Jeff Garzik Cc: Ingo Molnar , Satyam Sharma , Rene Herman , Jos Poortvliet , david@lang.hm, Nick Piggin , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ray Lee , Jesper Juhl , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ck list , linux-mm@kvack.org, Paul Jackson , Andrew Morton List-ID: On Thursday 26 July 2007, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 July 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> you dont _have to_ cooperative with the maintainer, but it's certainly > >> useful to work with good maintainers, if your goal is to improve Linux. > >> Or if for some reason communication is not working out fine then grow > >> into the job and replace the maintainer by doing a better job. > > > > The idea of growing into the job and replacing the maintainer by proving > > the you are doing better job was viable few years ago but may not be > > feasible today. > > IMO... Tejun is an excellent counter-example. He showed up as an IMO this doesn't qualify as a counter-example here et all unless you are trying to say that Tejun does your job much better and that we should just replace you. ;) > independent developer, put a bunch of his own spare time and energy into > the codebase, and is probably libata's main engineer (in terms of code > output) today. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, I think the Linux > community would be quite happy with him as the libata maintainer. Fully agreed on this part. > > The another problem is that sometimes it seems that independent developers > > has to go through more hops than entreprise ones and it is really frustrating > > experience for them. There is no conspiracy here - it is only the natural > > mechanism of trusting more in the code of people who you are working with more. > > I think Tejun is a counter-example here too :) Everyone's experience is > different, but from my perspective, Tejun "appeared out of nowhere" > producing good code, and so, it got merged rapidly. Tejun (like any of other developers) spent some time in-the-making and this time was in large part spent in the IDE-land, and yes I'm also very glad of the effects. :) Thanks, Bart -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org