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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, david@lang.hm,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:28:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070725082822.GA13098@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A7074B.50608@gmail.com>

* Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Regardless, I'll stand by "[by disabling updatedb] the problem will 
> for a large part be solved" as I expect approximately 94.372 percent 
> of Linux desktop users couldn't care less about locate.

i think that approach is illogical: because Linux mis-handled a mixed 
workload the answer is to ... remove a portion of that workload?

To bring your approach to the extreme: what if Linux sucked at running 
more than two CPU-intense tasks at once. Most desktop users dont do 
that, so a probably larger than 94.372 percent of Linux desktop users 
couldn't care less about a proper scheduler. Still, anyone who builds a 
kernel (the average desktop user wont do that) while using firefox will 
attest to the fact that it's quite handy that the Linux scheduler can 
handle mixed workloads pretty well.

now, it might be the case that this mixed VM/VFS workload cannot be 
handled any more intelligently - but that wasnt your argument! The 
swap-prefetch patch certainly tried to do things more intelligently and 
the test-case (measurement app) Con provided showed visible improvements 
in swap-in latency. (and a good number of people posted those results)

	Ingo

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Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070710013152.ef2cd200.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-07-10 10:15 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-11  1:02   ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11  1:14     ` [ck] " Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  1:52       ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11  4:25         ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11  2:21       ` Ira Snyder
2007-07-11  3:37         ` timotheus
2007-07-11  2:54       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11  5:18         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  5:47           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11  5:54             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  6:04               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11  6:24                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  7:50                   ` swap prefetch (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11  6:00             ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  3:59       ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2007-07-11 12:26       ` Kevin Winchester
2007-07-11 12:36         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-12 12:06       ` Kacper Wysocki
2007-07-12 12:35         ` Avuton Olrich
2007-07-22 23:11   ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-23 23:08   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-24  3:22     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  4:53       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  5:10         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24  5:18           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  5:16         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 16:11           ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 - Completely Fair Swap Prefetch Frank Kingswood
2007-07-25  0:59             ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24 16:15           ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Ray Lee
2007-07-25  4:06             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:55               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  5:00                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  5:12                 ` david
2007-07-25  5:30                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  5:51                     ` david
2007-07-25  7:14                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25  8:18                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:28                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-07-25  8:43                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 10:53                             ` [ck] " Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 11:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 12:39                                 ` Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 13:30                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 13:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 17:33                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-25 20:35                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26  2:32                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-26  4:13                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 10:22                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-25 11:34                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 11:40                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 11:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 16:08                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25 22:05                               ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-25 22:22                                 ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 22:27                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25 22:28                                 ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-25 23:45                                 ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-25 16:02                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:55                       ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 21:28                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  1:15                       ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26  1:32                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  3:16                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26 22:30                         ` Michael Chang
2007-07-25  5:30                 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  5:37                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  5:53                     ` david
2007-07-25  6:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:23                         ` david
2007-07-25  7:25                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  7:49                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25  7:58                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  8:15                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 10:41                         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25  6:19                     ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  6:30                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-25  7:19                         ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  6:44                     ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 16:09                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  4:57                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  5:53                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26  6:06                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  6:17                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26  6:33                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  6:50                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  7:43                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  7:59                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-28  0:24                             ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-26 14:19                         ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-26 18:13                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 22:04                             ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 22:33                               ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 23:27                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 23:29                                   ` david
2007-07-26 23:39                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-27  0:12                                       ` david
2007-07-28  0:12                         ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-28  3:42                         ` Daniel Cheng
2007-07-28  9:35                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-25 17:55                     ` Frank A. Kingswood
2007-07-25  6:09               ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  6:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 16:19               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:46               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26  8:38                 ` Frank Kingswood
2007-07-26  9:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26  9:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  9:40                       ` RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23] Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:09                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-27  0:33                             ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30  9:33                               ` Helge Hafting
2007-07-26 10:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:38                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 12:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-26 18:05                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  5:12                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  7:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  8:47                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  8:54                                     ` Al Viro
2007-07-27  9:02                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  9:40                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 10:00                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 10:25                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 17:45                                         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 18:16                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 19:43                                             ` david
2007-07-28  7:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28  8:55                                                 ` david
2007-07-28 10:11                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28 11:21                                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 16:29                                                       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-28 21:03                                                       ` david
2007-07-29  8:11                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 13:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 14:07                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 14:58                                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 14:59                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 15:20                                                                 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 15:36                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 16:04                                                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 16:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:19                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 17:33                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:52                                                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 19:05                                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:53                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 19:33                                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:00                                                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 20:18                                                                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:23                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 21:06                                                                       ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:00                                                     ` david
2007-07-29 10:09                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 11:41                                                         ` david
2007-07-29 14:01                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 21:19                                                             ` david
2007-08-06  2:14                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06  2:22                                                                 ` david
2007-08-06  9:21                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06  9:55                                                                     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-07-28 15:56                                                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:06                                                     ` david
2007-07-28 21:48                                                       ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 20:28                                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28  5:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 23:15                                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-27 23:29                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-28  0:08                                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-28  1:10                                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29 12:53                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-28  7:35                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28  8:51                                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 22:08                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 22:51                                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28  7:48                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-28 15:36                                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29  1:33                                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  3:39                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:20                         ` Al Viro
2007-07-26 12:23                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26 14:59                             ` Al Viro
2007-07-11 20:41                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-27 19:19                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-26 13:05                         ` Fredrik Klasson
2007-07-31 16:37               ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-06  2:11                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:46             ` david
2007-07-25  8:00               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:07                 ` david
2007-07-25  8:29                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:31                     ` david
2007-07-25  8:33                       ` david
2007-07-25 10:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 15:55               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:16                 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-27  0:28                   ` Magnus Naeslund
2007-07-24  5:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  6:01           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  6:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  9:38             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-07-25  1:26           ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  1:35             ` David Miller, Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24  0:08   ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-11 11:39 ` buffered write patches, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 17:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:23 ` lguest, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 15:45   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-11 18:04   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  1:21   ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:28     ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:48       ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:51         ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  3:15           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  3:35             ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  4:24         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  4:52           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 11:10             ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-19 17:27             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-20  3:27               ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-20  7:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-12  0:54 ` fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Nick Piggin
2007-07-12  2:31   ` block_page_mkwrite? (Re: fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23)) David Chinner
2007-07-12  2:42     ` Nick Piggin

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