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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10 of 16] stop useless vm trashing while we wait the TIF_MEMDIE task to exit
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:05:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070609140552.GA7130@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706082000370.5145@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 08:01:58PM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> > I'm sorry to inform you that the oom killing in current mainline has
> > always been a global event not a per-node one, regardless of the fixes
> > I just posted.
> 
> Wrong. The oom killling is a local event if we are in a constrained 
> allocation. The allocating task is killed not a random task. That call to 
> kill the allocating task should not set any global flags.

I just showed the global flag that is being checked. TIF_MEMDIE
affects the whole system, not just your node-constrained allocating
task. If your local constrained task fails to exit because it's
running in the nfs path that loops forever even if NULL is returned
from alloc_pages, it will deadlock the whole system if later a regular
oom happens (alloc_pages isn't guaranteed to be called by a page fault
where we know do_exit will guaranteed to be called if a sigkill is
pending). This is just an example.

Amittedly my fixes made things worse for your "local" oom killing, but
your code was only apparently "local" because TIF_MEMDIE is a _global_
flag in the mainline kernel. So again, I'm very willing to improve the
local oom killing, so that it will really become a local event for the
first time ever. Infact with my fixes applied the whole system will
stop waiting for the TIF_MEMDIE flag to go away, so it'll be much
easier to really make the global oom killing independent from the
local one. I didn't look into the details of the local oom killing yet
(exactly because it wasn't so local in the first place) but it may be
enough to set VM_is_OOM only for tasks that are not being locally
killed and then those new changes will automatically prevent
TIF_MEMDIE being set on a local-oom to affect the global-oom event.

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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-08 20:02 [PATCH 00 of 16] OOM related fixes Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:02 ` [PATCH 01 of 16] remove nr_scan_inactive/active Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-10 17:36   ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-10 18:17     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-11 14:58       ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-26 17:08       ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-26 17:55         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-26 19:02           ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-28 22:44           ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-28 22:57             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 23:04               ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-28 23:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 23:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-28 23:29                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-29  0:00                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-29  0:19                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-29  0:45                           ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-29  1:12                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-29  1:20                               ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-29  1:29                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 23:25                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-29  0:12                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-29 13:38             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-29 14:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-29 14:59                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-29 22:39                 ` "Noreclaim Infrastructure" [was Re: [PATCH 01 of 16] remove nr_scan_inactive/active] Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-29 22:42                 ` RFC "Noreclaim Infrastructure - patch 1/3 basic infrastructure" Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-29 22:44                 ` RFC "Noreclaim Infrastructure patch 2/3 - noreclaim statistics..." Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-29 22:49                 ` "Noreclaim - client patch 3/3 - treat pages w/ excessively references anon_vma as nonreclaimable" Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-26 20:37         ` [PATCH 01 of 16] remove nr_scan_inactive/active Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-26 20:57           ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-26 22:21             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 02 of 16] avoid oom deadlock in nfs_create_request Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-10 17:38   ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-10 18:27     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 03 of 16] prevent oom deadlocks during read/write operations Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 04 of 16] serialize oom killer Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-09  6:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-09 15:27     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 05 of 16] avoid selecting already killed tasks Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 06 of 16] reduce the probability of an OOM livelock Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 07 of 16] balance_pgdat doesn't return the number of pages freed Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 08 of 16] don't depend on PF_EXITING tasks to go away Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 09 of 16] fallback killing more tasks if tif-memdie doesn't " Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 21:57   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 10 of 16] stop useless vm trashing while we wait the TIF_MEMDIE task to exit Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 21:48   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-09  1:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-09  3:01       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-09 14:05         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2007-06-09 14:38           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-11 16:07             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-11 16:50               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-11 16:57                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-11 17:51                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-11 17:56                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-11 18:22                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-11 18:39                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-11 18:58                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-11 19:25                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-11 16:04           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 11 of 16] the oom schedule timeout isn't needed with the VM_is_OOM logic Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 12 of 16] show mem information only when a task is actually being killed Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 13 of 16] simplify oom heuristics Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 14 of 16] oom select should only take rss into account Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-10 17:17   ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-10 17:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 15 of 16] limit reclaim if enough pages have been freed Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-10 17:20   ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-10 17:32     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-10 17:52       ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-11 16:23         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-11 16:57           ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-08 20:03 ` [PATCH 16 of 16] avoid some lock operation in vm fast path Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-08 21:26 ` [PATCH 00 of 16] OOM related fixes William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-09 14:55   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-06-12  8:58     ` Petr Tesarik

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