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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ray-lk@madrabbit.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: swap prefetch improvements
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:15:59 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705121516.00070.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070511220314.f7af1d31.pj@sgi.com>

On Saturday 12 May 2007 15:03, Paul Jackson wrote:
> > Swap prefetch is not cpuset aware so make the config option depend on
> > !CPUSETS.
>
> Ok.
>
> Could you explain what it means to say "swap prefetch is not cpuset aware",
> or could you give a rough idea of what it would take to make it cpuset
> aware?

Hmm I'm not really sure what it takes to make it cpuset aware; it was Nick 
that pointed out that it was not, so I'm not sure and still going off your 
original recommendation that there was no need to make it cpuset aware but at 
least honour node placement (see below).

> I wouldn't go so far as to say that no one would ever want to prefetch and
> use cpusets at the same time, but I will grant that it's not a sufficiently
> important need that it should block a useful prefetch implementation on
> non-cpuset systems.

Thank you for agreeing on me there :)

> One case that would be useful, however, is to handle prefetch in the case
> that cpusets are configured into ones kernel, but one is not making any
> real use of them ('number_of_cpusets' <= 1).  That will actually be the
> most common case for the major distribution(s) that enable cpusets by
> default in their builds, for most arch's including the arch's popular
> on desktops.
>
> So what would it take to allow CONFIG'ing both prefetch and cpusets on,
> but having prefetch dynamically adapt to the presence of active cpuset
> usage, perhaps by basically shutting down if it can't easily do any
> better?  I could certainly entertain requests to callout to some
> prefetch routine from the cpuset code, at the critical points that
> cpusets transitioned in or out of active use.

It would be absolutely trivial to add a check for 'number_of_cpusets' <= 1 in 
the prefetch_enabled() function. Would you like that?

> Semi-separate issue -- is it just cpusets that aren't prefetch friendly,
> or is it also mm/mempolicy (mbind, set_mempolicy) as well?
>
> For that matter, even if neither mm/mempolicy nor cpusets are used, on
> systems with multiple memory nodes (not all memory equally distant from
> all CPUs, aka NUMA), could prefetch cause some sort of shuffling of
> memory placement, which might harm the performance of an HPC (High
> Performance Computing) application with carefully tuned memory
> placement.  Granted, this -is- getting to be a corner case.  Most HPC
> apps running on NUMA hardware are making at least some use of
> mm/mempolicy or cpusets.

It is numa aware to some degree. It stores the node id and when it starts 
prefetching it only prefetches to nodes that are suitable for prefetching to 
(based on a number of arbitrary freeness arguments I invented). It uses the 
original node id it came from by allocating a page via:
	alloc_pages_node(node, GFP_HIGHUSER & ~__GFP_WAIT, 0);
where "node" is the original node the swapped page came from.

Thanks for comments.

-- 
-ck

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-12  5:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 180+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-30 23:20 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:59 ` Bill Irwin
2007-05-01  0:09 ` nfsd/md patches " Neil Brown
2007-05-01  9:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01  9:15     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01  9:21       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01  9:52     ` Neil Brown
2007-05-01 10:15       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01 14:34         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-05-01  0:54 ` MADV_FREE functionality Rik van Riel
2007-05-01  1:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01  1:23     ` Rik van Riel
2007-05-01  7:13     ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-05-01  1:23   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-01  1:39 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Stefan Richter
2007-05-01  2:30 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans (RE: input) Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-01  8:11 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans -- pfn_valid_within Andy Whitcroft
2007-05-01  8:19   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01  8:44 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans -- vm bugfixes Nick Piggin
2007-05-01  8:54   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01 19:31   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-02  3:08     ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-02  9:15       ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-02 14:00       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03  1:32         ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-03 10:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-03 12:56             ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-04  9:23               ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-04  9:43                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-08  3:03                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-03 12:24           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03 12:43             ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-03 12:58               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03 13:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-03 16:52           ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  4:16             ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-09 12:34         ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-09 14:28           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-09 14:45             ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-09 15:38               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-09 22:24                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-01  8:46 ` pcmcia ioctl removal Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01  8:56   ` Russell King
2007-05-01  8:57   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-01  9:08     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01 14:46       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-05-01  9:16   ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-05-01  9:44     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-01 10:16       ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-05-01 10:26       ` Gabriel C
2007-05-01 10:52         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-01 10:12     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-01 11:00       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-01 12:06         ` Konstantin Münning
2007-05-01 13:56         ` Rogan Dawes
2007-05-01 19:10       ` Russell King
2007-05-01 20:41         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-09 12:54   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-09 13:00     ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-05-09 13:03     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-05-09 19:11       ` Romano Giannetti
2007-05-10 12:40         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-05-01  8:48 ` pci hotplug patches Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-02  3:57   ` Greg KH
2007-05-13 20:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-14 11:48       ` Greg KH
2007-05-01  8:54 ` cache-pipe-buf-page-address-for-non-highmem-arch.patch Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01  9:04   ` cache-pipe-buf-page-address-for-non-highmem-arch.patch Andrew Morton
2007-05-01 11:31     ` cache-pipe-buf-page-address-for-non-highmem-arch.patch Andi Kleen
2007-05-03  3:48     ` cache-pipe-buf-page-address-for-non-highmem-arch.patch Ken Chen
2007-05-01  8:55 ` consolidate-generic_writepages-and-mpage_writepages.patch Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01  9:17 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Pekka Enberg
2007-05-01  9:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-01  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-05-01 12:19   ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-01 17:12     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-05-01 10:16 ` fragmentation avoidance " Mel Gorman
2007-05-01 13:02   ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans -- lumpy reclaim Andy Whitcroft
2007-05-01 18:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-05-01 19:00     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01 14:54   ` fragmentation avoidance Re: 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Christoph Lameter
2007-05-01 19:00     ` Mel Gorman
2007-05-01 18:57   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-07 13:07   ` Yasunori Goto
2007-05-01 14:31 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans: mm-more-rmap-checking Hugh Dickins
2007-05-02  1:42   ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-02 13:17     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03  0:18       ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-01 16:56 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Zan Lynx
2007-05-01 17:06 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans: mm-detach_vmas_to_be_unmapped-fix Hugh Dickins
2007-05-01 18:10 ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans: slub Hugh Dickins
2007-05-01 19:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-01 19:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01 20:19     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-01 20:36       ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-01 20:46         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-01 21:09           ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-02 12:54         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-02 17:03           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 19:11             ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-02 19:42               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 19:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-05-02 20:14                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 18:52           ` Siddha, Suresh B
2007-05-02 18:58             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-01 21:08       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 12:45         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-02 17:01           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 18:08             ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-02 18:28               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 18:42                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-02 18:53                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 17:25           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 18:36             ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-02 18:39               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 18:57                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-02 19:01                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 19:18                     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-05-02 19:34                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-02 19:43                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-03  8:15             ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-03  8:27               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 16:30                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-03  8:46               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03  8:57                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-03  9:15                   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03 21:04                     ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans: slub on PowerPC Hugh Dickins
2007-05-03 21:15                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-03 22:41                         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-04  0:25                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-04  0:54                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-03 16:45                   ` 2.6.22 -mm merge plans: slub Christoph Lameter
2007-05-03 15:54 ` swap-prefetch: 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 16:15   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-03 16:23     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-03 22:14   ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-04  7:34   ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-04  8:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-04  9:09       ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-04 12:10       ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-05  8:42         ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-06 10:13           ` [ck] " Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-06 18:22           ` Jory A. Pratt
2007-05-09 23:28           ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-10  0:05             ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-10  1:34               ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-10  1:56                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-10  3:48                   ` Ray Lee
2007-05-10  3:56                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-10  5:52                       ` Ray Lee
2007-05-10  7:04                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-10  7:20                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-10 12:34                           ` Ray Lee
2007-05-12  4:46                           ` [PATCH] mm: swap prefetch improvements Con Kolivas
2007-05-12  5:03                             ` Paul Jackson
2007-05-12  5:15                               ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2007-05-12  5:51                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-05-12  7:28                                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-12  8:14                                     ` Paul Jackson
2007-05-12  8:21                                       ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-12  8:37                                         ` Paul Jackson
2007-05-12  8:57                                           ` [PATCH respin] " Con Kolivas
2007-05-21 10:03                             ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2007-05-21 13:44                               ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-21 16:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-22 10:15                                   ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-22 10:20                                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-22 10:25                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-22 10:37                                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-22 10:46                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-22 10:54                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-22 10:57                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-22 11:04                                                 ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]                                                   ` <20070522111104.GA14950@elte.hu>
2007-05-22 11:12                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-22 20:18                                             ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-05-22 20:31                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-10  3:58                     ` swap-prefetch: 2.6.22 -mm merge plans Con Kolivas
2007-05-07 14:28         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-07 14:18       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-07 17:47 ` Josef Sipek

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