From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com,
tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com,
trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, yingchao.zhou@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/10] mm: per device dirty threshold
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:39:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070422233936.97d78677.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Hfs3j-0005sN-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:29:59 +0200 Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> > > What about swapout? That can increase the number of writeback pages,
> > > without decreasing the number of dirty pages, no?
> >
> > Could we not solve that by enabling cap_account_writeback on
> > swapper_space, and thereby account swap writeback pages. Then the VM
> > knows it has outstanding IO and need not panic.
>
> Hmm, I'm not sure that would be right, because then those writeback
> pages would be accounted twice: once for swapper_space, and once for
> the real device.
>
> So there's a condition, when lots of anonymous pages are turned into
> swap-cache writeback pages, and we should somehow throttle this, because
>
> >>> This means that all memory is pinned and unreclaimable and the VM gets
> >>> upset and goes oom.
>
> although, it's not quite clear in my mind, how the VM gets upset about
> this.
I've been scratching my head on and off for a couple of days over this.
We've traditionally had reclaim problems when there's a huge amount of
dirty MAP_SHARED data, which the VM didn't know was dirty. It's the old
"map a file which is the same size as physical memory and write to it all"
stresstest.
But we do not have such problems with anonymous memory, and I'm darned if I
can remember why :(
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-23 6:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-20 15:51 [PATCH 00/10] per device dirty throttling -v5 Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 01/10] revert per-backing_dev-dirty-and-writeback-page-accounting Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 02/10] nfs: remove congestion_end() Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 03/10] lib: dampen the percpu_counter FBC_BATCH Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 04/10] lib: percpu_counter_mod64 Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 19:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: bdi init hooks Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: scalable bdi statistics counters Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: count reclaimable pages per BDI Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: count writeback " Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-22 7:19 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-22 9:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: expose BDI statistics in sysfs Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: per device dirty threshold Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 10:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 10:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 20:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-23 6:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23 6:29 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-23 6:39 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-04-21 12:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 12:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 19:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23 15:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-23 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23 16:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-22 7:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 2:58 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24 7:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 8:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 8:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 9:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 9:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 10:00 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 10:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 10:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 10:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 10:40 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 11:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 11:50 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 12:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-22 9:57 ` [PATCH 00/10] per device dirty throttling -v5 Andrew Morton
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