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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Dan Aloni <da-x@monatomic.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	tee@sgi.com, holt@sgi.com,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] no ZERO_PAGE?
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:27:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070404152717.GG19587@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070404144421.GA13762@localdomain>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 05:44:21PM +0300, Dan Aloni wrote:
> To refine that example, you could replace the file with a large anonymous 
> memory pool and a lot of swap space committed to it. In that case - with 
> no ZERO_PAGE, would the kernel needlessly swap-out the zeroed pages? 

Swapout or ram is the same in this context. The point is that it will
take 4k either in ram or swap, let's talk about virtual memory without
differentiating between ram or swap.

> Perhaps it's an example too far-fetched to worth considering...

Even if you would read the sparsed file to a malloced space (more
commonly that would be tmpfs) using the read syscall, those anon (or
tmpfs) pages would be _written_ first, which isn't the case we're
discussing here.

You don't know what is on disk, so reading from disk (regardless of
what you read, holes, zeros or anything) provides useful information,
but you know what is in ram after an anon mmap: just zeros, reading
them can't provide useful information to any software.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-29  7:58 [rfc][patch 1/2] mm: dont account ZERO_PAGE Nick Piggin
2007-03-29  7:58 ` [rfc][patch 2/2] mips: reinstate move_pte Nick Piggin
2007-03-29 17:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 13:10 ` [rfc][patch 1/2] mm: dont account ZERO_PAGE Hugh Dickins
2007-03-30  1:46   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-30  2:59     ` Robin Holt
2007-03-30  3:09       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-30  9:23         ` Robin Holt
2007-03-30  2:40   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  3:37     ` [rfc] no ZERO_PAGE? Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:45       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 10:24         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 12:27           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 13:55             ` Dan Aloni
2007-04-04 14:14               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 14:44                 ` Dan Aloni
2007-04-04 15:03                   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 15:34                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 15:41                       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 16:07                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 15:27                   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2007-04-04 16:15                     ` Dan Aloni
2007-04-04 16:48                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 12:45           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 13:05             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 13:32               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 13:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 15:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 15:48         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 16:23             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:10           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 16:31             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 22:07           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-04 16:32         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 17:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 19:15         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 20:11         ` David Miller, Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 20:50           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  2:03           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  5:23           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 22:05         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-05  0:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-05  1:25             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-05  2:30             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  5:37               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-05 17:23                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-05  4:47         ` Nick Piggin

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