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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Dan Aloni <da-x@monatomic.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	tee@sgi.com, holt@sgi.com,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] no ZERO_PAGE?
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:14:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070404141457.GF19587@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070404135530.GA29026@localdomain>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:55:32PM +0300, Dan Aloni wrote:
> How about applications that perform mmap() and R/W random-access on 
> large *sparse* files? (e.g. a scientific app that uses a large sparse 
> file as a big database look-up table). As I see it, these apps would
> need to keep track of what's sparse and what's not...

That's not anonymous memory if those are read page faults on
_files_. I'm only talking about anonymous memory and
do_anonymous_page, i.e. no file data at all. In more clear words, the
only thing we're discussing here is char = malloc(1); *char.

Your example _already_ allocates zeroed pagecache instead of the zero
page, so your example (random access over sparse files with mmap, be
it MAP_PRIVATE or MAP_SHARED no difference for reads) has never had
anything to do with the zero page. If something we could optimize your
example to _start_ using for the first time ever the ZERO_PAGE, it
would make more sense to use it to be mapped where the lowlevel fs
finds holes. ZERO_PAGE in do_anonymous_page instead doesn't make much
sense to me, but it has always been there as far as I can
remember. The thing is that it never hurted until the huge systems
with nightmare cacheline bouncing reported heavy stalls on some
testcase, which make it look like a DoS because of the ZERO_PAGE,
hence now that it hurts I guess it can go.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-29  7:58 [rfc][patch 1/2] mm: dont account ZERO_PAGE Nick Piggin
2007-03-29  7:58 ` [rfc][patch 2/2] mips: reinstate move_pte Nick Piggin
2007-03-29 17:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 13:10 ` [rfc][patch 1/2] mm: dont account ZERO_PAGE Hugh Dickins
2007-03-30  1:46   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-30  2:59     ` Robin Holt
2007-03-30  3:09       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-30  9:23         ` Robin Holt
2007-03-30  2:40   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  3:37     ` [rfc] no ZERO_PAGE? Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:45       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 10:24         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 12:27           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 13:55             ` Dan Aloni
2007-04-04 14:14               ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2007-04-04 14:44                 ` Dan Aloni
2007-04-04 15:03                   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 15:34                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 15:41                       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 16:07                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 15:27                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:15                     ` Dan Aloni
2007-04-04 16:48                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 12:45           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 13:05             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 13:32               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 13:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 15:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 15:48         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 16:23             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 16:10           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 16:31             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 22:07           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-04 16:32         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 17:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 19:15         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 20:11         ` David Miller, Linus Torvalds
2007-04-04 20:50           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  2:03           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  5:23           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-04-04 22:05         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-05  0:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-05  1:25             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-05  2:30             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  5:37               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-05 17:23                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-05  4:47         ` Nick Piggin

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