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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: clameter@sgi.com, aubreylee@gmail.com, svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org,
	Michael.Hennerich@analog.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:00:21 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070125150021.bf600997.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45B842E6.5040008@redhat.com>

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:40:54 -0500
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:

> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:28:15 -0500
> > Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > I always says Linux is different from mainframes.
> 
> It's not just about Linux.
> 
> Applications behave differently too from the way they were 15
> years ago.
> 
> Some databases, eg. sleepycat's db, map the whole database in
> memory.  Other databases, like MySQL and postgresql, rely on
> the kernel's page cache to cache the most frequently accessed
> data.
> 
> To make matters more interesting, memory sizes have increased
> by a factor 1000, but disk seek times have only gotten 10 times
> faster.  This means that simplistic memory management algorithms
> can hurt performance a lot more than they could back then.
> 
> In short, I am not convinced that any of the simple tunable knobs
> from the "good old days" will do much to actually help people
> with modern workloads on modern computers.
> 
I agree. 

My current concerns is not adding knobs but how to show/explain
what the users does. In most case, users don't know what they does
and believes system-information can tell that.

for example)
A user sometimes asks "why amount of system-A's pagecache and system-B's are
different from each other ?. I definitly does the same jobs on the both system."

...just because he used different deta-set ;)

Thanks,
-Kame


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-25  6:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-24  0:49 Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  2:53 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  3:01   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  5:47   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24  3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24  3:14   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  3:51     ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24  4:03       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-26 10:27         ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-24  3:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  4:30   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  5:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  0:32       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  2:41         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  3:12           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  4:28             ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  5:19               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  5:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  6:00                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2007-01-26 10:29       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 18:01         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  7:04 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24  7:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 12:50   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 12:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 14:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 20:06       ` Erik Andersen
2007-01-25  2:40         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  8:07           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:22   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 14:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-25  2:27       ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 12:33 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  4:17     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25  4:45       ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  5:49         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 16:07           ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 17:57             ` Balbir Singh
2007-01-25  6:35       ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-25  6:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  7:49         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25  4:18 ` Rik van Riel
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     [not found]   ` <7GRix-7fU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <7GRLZ-7Uy-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-01-25 14:51       ` Bodo Eggert

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