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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: aubreylee@gmail.com, svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org,
	Michael.Hennerich@analog.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:12:54 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070125121254.a2e91875.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701241841000.12325@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:41:27 -0800 (PST)
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> > But I can't think of the way to show that.
> > ==
> > [kamezawa@aworks src]$ free
> >             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
> > Mem:        741604     724628      16976          0      62700     564600
> > -/+ buffers/cache:      97328     644276
> > Swap:      1052216       2532    1049684
> > ==
> 
> Could we call the free memory "unused memory" and not talk about free 
> memory at all?
> 
Ah, maybe it's better.

I met several memory troubles in user's systems in these days. (on older kernels)
Thousands/hundreds of process works on it.

When I explain the cutomers about memory management, I devides memory into..

(1) unused memory  --- memory which is not used, in free-list of zones.

(2) reclaimable memory --- page cache, which is reclaimable
	clean pages  --- can be reclaimed soon
	dirty pages  --- need to be written back
	*BUT* busy pages are unreclaimable. 

(3) swappable memory --- user process's pages. basically reclaimable if 
                         swap is available.
			 shmem pages are included here.

(4) locked memory --- mlocked memory, which is not reclaimable(but movable)

(5) kernel memory --- used by kernel, 
                      (and we can't see how many pages are reclaimable)
 
We can know the amount of (1) and (5) and total memory.
Basically, (3) = (Total) - (2) - (1).
busy data-set of (2)(3) is not reclaimable. but the amount of busy data-set
is unknown. Many users takes log of 'ps' or 'sar' to estimate their memory
usage. (and sometimes page-cache of 'log-file' eats their memory.....)

The amount of (4) is unknown. But there was a system with 6GB of 8GB
memory was mlocked (--; and OOM works.

I'm sorry that I can't catch up how the current kernel can show memory usage.
I should investigate that. 

FYI:
Because some customers are migrated from mainframes, they want to control
almost all features in OS, IOW, designing memory usages.

-Kame


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-25  3:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-24  0:49 Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  2:53 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  3:01   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  5:47   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24  3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24  3:14   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  3:51     ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24  4:03       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-26 10:27         ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-24  3:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  4:30   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  5:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  0:32       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  2:41         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  3:12           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2007-01-25  4:28             ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  5:19               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  5:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  6:00                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-26 10:29       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 18:01         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  7:04 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24  7:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 12:50   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 12:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 14:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 20:06       ` Erik Andersen
2007-01-25  2:40         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  8:07           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:22   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 14:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-25  2:27       ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 12:33 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  4:17     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25  4:45       ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  5:49         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 16:07           ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 17:57             ` Balbir Singh
2007-01-25  6:35       ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-25  6:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  7:49         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25  4:18 ` Rik van Riel
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     [not found]   ` <7GRix-7fU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <7GRLZ-7Uy-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-01-25 14:51       ` Bodo Eggert

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