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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [patch 2/5] mm: fault vs invalidate/truncate race fix
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:57:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061011165717.GB5259@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610110916540.3952@g5.osdl.org>

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 09:21:16AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:39:22 +1000
> > Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > > But I see that it does read twice. Do you want that behaviour retained? It
> > > seems like at this level it would be logical to read it once and let lower
> > > layers take care of any retries?
> > 
> > argh.  Linus has good-sounding reasons for retrying the pagefault-path's
> > read a single time, but I forget what they are.  Something to do with
> > networked filesystems?  (adds cc)
> 
> Indeed. We _have_ to re-try a failed IO that we didn't start ourselves.
> 
> The original IO could have been started by a person who didn't have 
> permissions to actually carry it out successfully, so if you enter with 
> the page locked (because somebody else started the IO), and you wait for 
> the page and it's not up-to-date afterwards, you absolutely _have_ to try 
> the IO, and can only return a real IO error after your _own_ IO has 
> failed.

Sure, but we currently try to read _twice_, don't we?

> There is another issue too: even if the page was marked as having an error 
> when we entered (and no longer locked - maybe the IO failed last time 
> around), we should _still_ re-try. It might be a temporary error that has 
> since gone away, and if we don't re-try, we can end up in the totally 
> untenable situation where the kernel makes a soft error into a hard one. 

Yes, and in that case I think the page should be !Uptodate, so no
problem there.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-11 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-10 14:21 [rfc] 2.6.19-rc1-git5: consolidation of file backed fault handlers Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 14:21 ` [patch 1/5] mm: fault vs invalidate/truncate check Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 14:21 ` [patch 2/5] mm: fault vs invalidate/truncate race fix Nick Piggin
2006-10-11  4:38   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-11  5:39     ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-11  6:00       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-11  9:21         ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-11 16:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-11 16:57           ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-10-11 17:11             ` SPAM: " Linus Torvalds
2006-10-11 17:21               ` SPAM: " Nick Piggin
2006-10-11 17:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-12  3:33                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-12 15:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-12 15:40                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-11  5:13   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-11  5:50     ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-11  6:10       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-11  6:17       ` [patch 1/6] revert "generic_file_buffered_write(): handle zero length iovec segments" Andrew Morton, Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20061010231150.fb9e30f5.akpm@osdl.org>
2006-10-11  6:17         ` [patch 2/6] revert "generic_file_buffered_write(): deadlock on vectored write" Andrew Morton, Andrew Morton
     [not found]         ` <20061010231243.bc8b834c.akpm@osdl.org>
2006-10-11  6:17           ` [patch 3/6] generic_file_buffered_write() cleanup Andrew Morton, Andrew Morton
     [not found]           ` <20061010231339.a79c1fae.akpm@osdl.org>
2006-10-11  6:18             ` [patch 4/6] generic_file_buffered_write(): fix page prefaulting Andrew Morton, Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20061010231424.db88931f.akpm@osdl.org>
2006-10-11  6:18               ` [patch 5/6] generic_file_buffered_write(): max_len cleanup Andrew Morton, Andrew Morton
     [not found]               ` <20061010231514.c1da7355.akpm@osdl.org>
2006-10-11  6:18                 ` [patch 6/6] fix pagecache write deadlocks Andrew Morton, Andrew Morton
2006-10-21  1:53       ` [patch 2/5] mm: fault vs invalidate/truncate race fix Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-10-10 14:22 ` [patch 3/5] mm: fault handler to replace nopage and populate Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 14:22 ` [patch 4/5] mm: add vm_insert_pfn helpler Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 14:22 ` [patch 5/5] mm: merge nopfn with fault handler Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 14:26 ` [rfc] 2.6.19-rc1-git5: consolidation of file backed fault handlers Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 14:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-10 15:01   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 16:09     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-11  0:46       ` SPAM: " Nick Piggin
2006-10-10 15:07   ` Arjan van de Ven

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