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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	riel@redhat.com, tgraf@suug.ch, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:44:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060818194435.25bacee0.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44E650C1.80608@google.com>

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:44:01 -0700
Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com> wrote:

> handwaving

- The mmap(MAP_SHARED)-the-whole-world scenario should be fixed by
  mm-tracking-shared-dirty-pages.patch.  Please test it and if you are
  still able to demonstrate deadlocks, describe how, and why they
  are occurring.

- We expect that the lots-of-dirty-anon-memory-over-swap-over-network
  scenario might still cause deadlocks.  

  I assert that this can be solved by putting swap on local disks.  Peter
  asserts that this isn't acceptable due to disk unreliability.  I point
  out that local disk reliability can be increased via MD, all goes quiet.

  A good exposition which helps us to understand whether and why a
  significant proportion of the target user base still wishes to do
  swap-over-network would be useful.

- Assuming that exposition is convincing, I would ask that you determine
  at what level of /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes the swap-over-network
  deadlock is no longer demonstrable.

If there are any remaining demonstrable deadlock scenarios, please describe
how they were created and, if possible, perform some analysis of them for
us.  sysrq-T and sysrq-M traces would be helpful.

Once we have this information in hand, we will be in a better position to
work out how to solve these problems.

Thanks.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-19  2:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-08 19:33 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] pfn_to_kaddr() for UML Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-08 21:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  1:33     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:38       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-08 21:17   ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09  1:34     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:39       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:47         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 13:19           ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 14:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 16:18               ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 16:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  0:01                   ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 23:58               ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-11  4:24                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-13 21:22                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:49                   ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:15                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-11  2:37     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-13 22:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:55         ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:31           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  4:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  4:58                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  5:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  5:22                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  6:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  7:07                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  8:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:25                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  8:35                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:33                           ` David Miller, Andrew Morton
2006-08-17  4:27                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  7:17                         ` Neil Brown
2006-08-14  7:31                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  3:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  5:57                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 23:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  0:24                         ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-18  0:35                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  1:14                         ` Neil Brown
2006-08-18  6:05                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 21:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 22:34                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 23:44                               ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  2:44                                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-08-19  4:14                                   ` Network receive stall avoidance (was [PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core) Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  7:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19 15:06                                   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Rik van Riel
2006-08-20  1:33                                     ` Andre Tomt
2006-08-19 16:53                                   ` Ray Lee
2006-08-21 13:27                                   ` Philip R. Auld
2006-08-25 10:47                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-21 13:38                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-08-08 22:10   ` David Miller
2006-08-09  1:35     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:41       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:44         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  7:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <42414.81.207.0.53.1155080443.squirrel@81.207.0.53>
2006-08-09  0:25     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 12:02       ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 12:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:48           ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 14:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 18:34               ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 19:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 20:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  1:21                   ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 16:05   ` -v2 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] e1000 driver conversion Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:50   ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 22:32     ` David Miller, Auke Kok
2006-08-08 22:42       ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] e100 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:13   ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] r8169 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] tg3 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] UML eth " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] 3c59x " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 23:07   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  5:51     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:55       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  6:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  7:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  7:20             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-13 19:38         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 19:53           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  5:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:52   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:56     ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:53   ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:55     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:07     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 13:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 19:29         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 23:54         ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13 20:16             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  5:13               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  6:54                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  4:49                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  4:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  5:36                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 18:01                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 18:42                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 19:15                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-17 19:48                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 23:24                             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  7:16                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  3:42         ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12  8:47           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  9:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12  9:37               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 10:42                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:51                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 11:40                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 11:53                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  0:46                   ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13  1:11                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:49                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 14:56                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 15:08                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 15:22                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  0:56                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13  0:46                 ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:06                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:52                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-15 19:17 ` Pavel Machek

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