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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
To: phillips@google.com
Cc: riel@redhat.com, tgraf@suug.ch, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:05:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060813.165540.56347790.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44DFA225.1020508@google.com>

> By the way, another way to avoid impact on the normal case is an
> experimental option such as CONFIG_PREVENT_NETWORK_BLOCKIO_DEADLOCK.

That would just make the solution look more like a hack, and "bolted
on" rather than designed.

I think there is more profitability from a solution that really does
something about "network memory", and doesn't try to say "these
devices are special" or "these sockets are special".  Special cases
generally suck.

We already limit and control TCP socket memory globally in the system.
If we do this for all socket and anonymous network buffer allocations,
which is sort of implicity in Evgeniy's network tree allocator design,
we can solve this problem in a more reasonable way.

And here's the kick, there are other unrelated highly positive
consequences to using Evgeniy's network tree allocator.

It doesn't just solve the _one_ problem it was built for, it solves
several problems.  And that is the hallmark signature of good design.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-13 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-08 19:33 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] pfn_to_kaddr() for UML Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-08 21:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  1:33     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:38       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-08 21:17   ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09  1:34     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:39       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:47         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 13:19           ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 14:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 16:18               ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 16:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  0:01                   ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 23:58               ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-11  4:24                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-13 21:22                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:49                   ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:15                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-11  2:37     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-13 22:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:55         ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips [this message]
2006-08-14  1:31           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  4:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  4:58                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  5:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  5:22                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  6:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  7:07                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  8:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:25                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  8:35                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:33                           ` David Miller, Andrew Morton
2006-08-17  4:27                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  7:17                         ` Neil Brown
2006-08-14  7:31                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  3:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  5:57                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 23:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  0:24                         ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-18  0:35                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  1:14                         ` Neil Brown
2006-08-18  6:05                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 21:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 22:34                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 23:44                               ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  2:44                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19  4:14                                   ` Network receive stall avoidance (was [PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core) Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  7:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19 15:06                                   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Rik van Riel
2006-08-20  1:33                                     ` Andre Tomt
2006-08-19 16:53                                   ` Ray Lee
2006-08-21 13:27                                   ` Philip R. Auld
2006-08-25 10:47                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-21 13:38                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-08-08 22:10   ` David Miller
2006-08-09  1:35     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:41       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:44         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  7:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <42414.81.207.0.53.1155080443.squirrel@81.207.0.53>
2006-08-09  0:25     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 12:02       ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 12:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:48           ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 14:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 18:34               ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 19:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 20:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  1:21                   ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 16:05   ` -v2 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] e1000 driver conversion Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:50   ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 22:32     ` David Miller, Auke Kok
2006-08-08 22:42       ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] e100 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:13   ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] r8169 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] tg3 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] UML eth " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] 3c59x " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 23:07   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  5:51     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:55       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  6:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  7:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  7:20             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-13 19:38         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 19:53           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  5:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:52   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:56     ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:53   ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:55     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:07     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 13:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 19:29         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 23:54         ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13 20:16             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  5:13               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  6:54                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  4:49                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  4:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  5:36                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 18:01                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 18:42                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 19:15                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-17 19:48                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 23:24                             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  7:16                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  3:42         ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12  8:47           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  9:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12  9:37               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 10:42                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:51                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 11:40                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 11:53                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  0:46                   ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13  1:11                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:49                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 14:56                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 15:08                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 15:22                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  0:56                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13  0:46                 ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:06                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:52                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-15 19:17 ` Pavel Machek

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