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From: Andreas Mohr <andi@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:48:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060308084824.GA4193@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060307152636.1324a5b5.akpm@osdl.org>

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 03:26:36PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:
> >
> > Swap prefetching doesn't use very much cpu but spends a lot of time waiting on 
> > disk in uninterruptible sleep. This means it won't get preempted often even at 
> > a low nice level since it is seen as sleeping most of the time. We want to 
> > minimise its cpu impact so yield where possible.

> yield() really sucks if there are a lot of runnable tasks.  And the amount
> of CPU which that thread uses isn't likely to matter anyway.
> 
> I think it'd be better to just not do this.  Perhaps alter the thread's
> static priority instead?  Does the scheduler have a knob which can be used
> to disable a tasks's dynamic priority boost heuristic?

This problem occurs due to giving a priority boost to processes that are
sleeping a lot (e.g. in this case, I/O, from disk), right?
Forgive me my possibly less insightful comments, but maybe instead of adding
crude specific hacks (namely, yield()) to each specific problematic process as
it comes along (it just happens to be the swap prefetch thread this time)
there is a *general way* to give processes with lots of disk I/O sleeping
much smaller amounts of boost in order to get them preempted more often
in favour of an actually much more critical process (game)?
>From the discussion here it seems this problem is caused by a *general*
miscalculation of processes sleeping on disk I/O a lot.

Thus IMHO this problem should be solved in a general way if at all possible.

Andreas Mohr

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-08  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 23:13 Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:26 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-07 23:32   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  0:05     ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  0:51       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:11         ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:12           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:19             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:23             ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:28               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:08                 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:12                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:18                     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:22                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:27                         ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:30                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:52                             ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2006-03-08  3:03                               ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  3:05                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 21:07                                 ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-08 23:00                                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 23:48                                     ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09  0:07                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  3:13                                         ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09  4:08                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  4:54                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  7:51                 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08  8:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  8:57             ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09  9:08               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 22:44                 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-10  9:01                   ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-10  9:11                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-10  0:58                 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-08 22:24       ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-09  2:22         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  2:30           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  2:57             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  9:11               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 13:36     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
2006-03-17  9:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-08  8:48   ` Andreas Mohr [this message]
2006-03-08  8:52     ` Con Kolivas

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