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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	andy@thermo.lanl.gov, mbligh@mbligh.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	arjan@infradead.org, arjanv@infradead.org, haveblue@us.ibm.com,
	kravetz@us.ibm.com, lhms-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, mel@csn.ul.ie,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:53:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051104155317.GA7281@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511040725090.27915@g5.osdl.org>

* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:

> Boot-time option to set the hugetlb zone, yes.
> 
> Grow-or-shrink, probably not. Not in practice after bootup on any 
> machine that is less than idle.
> 
> The zones have to be pretty big to make any sense. You don't just grow 
> them or shrink them - they'd be on the order of tens of megabytes to 
> gigabytes. In other words, sized big enough that you will _not_ be 
> able to create them on demand, except perhaps right after boot.

i think the current hugepages=<N> boot option could transparently be 
morphed into a 'separate zone' approach, and /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages 
would just refuse to change (or would go away altogether). Dynamically 
growing zones seem like a lot of trouble, without much gain. [ OTOH 
hugepages= parameter unit should be changed from the current 'number of 
hugepages' to plain RAM metrics - megabytes/gigabytes. ]

that would solve two problems: any 'zone VM statistics skewing effect' 
of the current hugetlbs (which is a preallocated list of really large 
pages) would go away, and the hugetlb zone could potentially be utilized 
for easily freeable objects.

this would already be alot more flexible that what we have: the hugetlb 
area would not be 'lost' altogether, like now. Once we are at this stage 
we can see how usable it is in practice. I strongly suspect it will 
cover most of the HPC uses.

	Ingo

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-04 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 225+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-04  1:00 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04  1:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  1:27   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  5:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04  6:10   ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  6:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04  7:26       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  7:37         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 15:39         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 15:53         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-11-06  7:34           ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-06 15:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-06 18:18               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-06  8:44         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-11-06 16:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-06 17:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07  8:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-07 11:00                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-07 12:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-07 19:34                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-07 23:38                       ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-04  7:44     ` Eric Dumazet
2005-11-07 16:42       ` Adam Litke
2005-11-04 14:56   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 15:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 15:39       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:05         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 16:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 16:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 17:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:43               ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 16:13       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 16:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:10           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 16:14       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:49         ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-05  1:52 Seth, Rohit, Friday, November
2005-11-05  1:37 Seth, Rohit, Nick
2005-11-07  0:34 ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-07 18:58   ` Adam Litke
2005-11-07 20:51     ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-07 20:55       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-07 20:58         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-07 21:20           ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-07 21:33             ` Adam Litke
2005-11-08  2:12         ` David Gibson
2005-11-07 21:11       ` Adam Litke
2005-11-07 21:31         ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-04 21:51 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:56 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:03 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:51   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 21:04   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 21:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 21:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-05  2:48       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-06 10:59       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 21:31     ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-11-04 22:43       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-05  0:07         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-06  1:30         ` Zan Lynx
2005-11-06  2:25           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 15:19 Andy Nelson
2005-10-30 18:33 Mel Gorman
2005-10-31  5:57 ` [Lhms-devel] " Mike Kravetz
2005-10-31  6:37   ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31  7:54     ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  7:11       ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31 16:19         ` Mel Gorman
2005-10-31 23:54           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  1:28             ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  1:42               ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31 14:34       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 19:24         ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 19:40           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 23:59             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  1:36               ` Mel Gorman
2005-10-31 23:29         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  0:59           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  1:31             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  2:07               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  2:35                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01 11:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 13:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:10                       ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 14:29                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:49                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 15:01                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 15:22                               ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  8:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  9:02                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  9:17                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  9:32                                     ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  9:48                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 10:54                                         ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02 15:02                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03  3:21                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 15:36                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 15:40                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 15:51                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 15:57                                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 16:20                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 16:27                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 16:46                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 16:52                                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 17:19                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 17:48                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-03 17:51                                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 17:59                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 18:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 18:17                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 18:44                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 18:51                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 19:35                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 22:40                                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 22:56                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 23:01                                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  0:58                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  1:06                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04  1:20                                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2005-11-04  1:22                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  1:48                                                                         ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-04  1:59                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  2:35                                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-04  1:26                                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 21:11                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 18:03                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 20:00                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-03 20:46                                                               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 18:48                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 19:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 22:37                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 23:16                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 23:39                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  0:42                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  4:39                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04 16:22                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 15:53                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 14:57                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 16:48                               ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-11-01 16:59                                 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-11-01 17:19                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02  0:32                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-11-02 11:22                                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:06                                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-11-02  7:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  7:46                                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02  8:50                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  9:12                                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02  9:37                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 10:17                                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02 23:47                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  4:43                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03  6:07                                               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  7:34                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 17:54                                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03 20:13                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 16:35                                                 ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 16:23                                                   ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-11-03 18:27                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 18:49                                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04  4:52                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  5:35                                                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  5:48                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  6:42                                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  7:10                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  7:45                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  8:02                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  9:52                                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 15:27                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 15:19                                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 17:38                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  6:16                                                         ` Bron Nelson
2005-11-02 10:41                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 11:04                                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02 12:00                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 12:42                                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02 15:02                                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-03  0:10                                             ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02  7:57                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  0:51                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  7:42                               ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  8:24                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  8:33                                   ` Yasunori Goto
2005-11-02  8:43                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 14:51                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 23:28                                       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  5:26                                         ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03  5:41                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:41                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 15:23                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:33                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 19:02                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:50                         ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 15:24                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02  5:11                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01 18:23                       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 20:31                         ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-01 20:59                   ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-02  1:06                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  1:41                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  2:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  2:24                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  2:49                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  4:39                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  5:09                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  5:14                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  6:23                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-11-02 10:15                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  7:19                               ` Yasunori Goto
2005-11-02 11:48                               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 11:41                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 11:37                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 15:11                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 15:25               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 15:33                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 16:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 17:00                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:58                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:40         ` Avi Kivity

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