From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/10] alternate 4-level page tables patches
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:19:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041221201927.GD15643@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0412210925370.4112@ppc970.osdl.org>
> That's true, but it's not an issue for several reasons:
>
> - we can easily update just _x86_ to be type-safe (ie add the fourth
> level to x86 just to get type safety, even if it's folded). That
> doesn't mean that we have to worry about 20 _other_ architectures, that
> most developers can't even test.
I already covered near all of them anyways (m68k is the main exception)
And quite a few of them have been even tested, thanks to the port
maintainers.
> > Also is the flag day really that bad?
>
> I think that _avoiding_ a flag-day is always good. Also, more importantly,
> it looks like this approach allows each patch to be smaller and more
> self-contained, ie we never have the situation where "uhhuh, now it won't
> compile on arch Xxxx for ten patches, until we turn things on". The
> smaller the patches are, the more obvious any problems will be.
With the warnings the port maintainers will need to do the conversion
work anyways, they can't just leave the warnings in (at least if they
care to still maintain their code in the future)
>
> Think of it this way: for random architecture X, the four-level page table
> patches really should make _no_ difference until they are enabled. So you
> can do 90% of the work, and be pretty confident that things work. Most
> importantly, if things _don't_ work before the thing has been enabled,
> that's a big clue ;)
My approach was to just do the straight forward conversions. The only
risk (from experience) so far was that things not compile when I forgot
one replacement, but when they compile they tend to work.
I must say I would still prefer if my patches were applied instead
of going through all of this again in a slightly different form.
e.g. who is doing all this "PUD" stuff? Nick's patch so far was only
a prototype and probably needs quite a bit more work and then a new
-mm testing cycle.
-Andi
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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-12-18 6:55 Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:55 ` [PATCH 1/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:56 ` [PATCH 2/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:56 ` [PATCH 3/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:57 ` [PATCH 4/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:58 ` [PATCH 5/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:58 ` [PATCH 6/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 6:59 ` [PATCH 7/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 7:00 ` [PATCH 8/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 7:00 ` [PATCH 9/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 7:01 ` [PATCH 10/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 7:31 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-18 7:46 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 8:08 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-18 9:48 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-18 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 17:43 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-20 17:47 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-12-20 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 18:19 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-20 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 18:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 18:59 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-20 18:57 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-12-18 9:05 ` [PATCH 4/10] " Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 9:50 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-18 10:06 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 10:11 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-18 10:22 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 10:29 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 11:06 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-18 11:17 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 11:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-18 11:55 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-18 12:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-18 12:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-19 0:05 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-19 0:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-19 0:38 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-19 1:01 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-19 1:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-19 2:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-19 2:26 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-19 5:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-19 6:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-19 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 1:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-18 10:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-18 10:58 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-19 0:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/10] " Hugh Dickins
2004-12-19 0:33 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-20 18:04 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-20 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-20 18:53 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-21 0:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-21 0:22 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-21 0:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-21 0:47 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-21 2:55 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-21 3:21 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-21 3:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-21 3:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-21 4:04 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-21 4:08 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-21 9:36 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-21 10:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-21 10:59 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-21 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-21 20:19 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2004-12-21 23:49 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-22 10:38 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-22 11:19 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-22 11:23 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-22 18:07 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-30 21:24 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-21 10:52 ` Nick Piggin
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