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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
Cc: Chris Ross <chris@tebibyte.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Martin MOKREJ? <mmokrejs@ribosome.natur.cuni.cz>,
	tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix spurious OOM kills
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:03:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041114170339.GB13733@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041114094417.GC29267@logos.cnet>

On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 07:44:17AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> Well, I'll wait for your correct and definitive approach.

I doubt my patch will be definitive and you're welcome to keep hacking
without waiting ;). There are various problems, one issue is the
try_to_free_pages side, the other severe and obvious bug is the
invocation of the oom killer in vmscan.c that cannot know if enough
memory is already free via racing tasks (like other context and like
kswapd).

I'm looking at the latter first since that is easy to fix, but as you
said the zone->all_unreclaimable is hard and it may be buggy too, so I
doubt my fix will be definitive ;) but it'll worth a try. Feel free to
work on the zone->all_unreclaimable for example.

Especially the fact your patch didn't help make me think my firts patch
also won't fix it and we'll have to look into the try_to_free_pages
internals to fix it completely.

My patch compared to yours will only save .text/.data/.bss bloat (i.e.
the opposite of what Martin was worried about) to avoid message passing
via global variable w/o locks from task context to kswapd.

Chris, since you can reproduce so easily, could you try a `vmstat 1`
while the oom killing happens, and can you post it?

We've also to differentiate between true early-oom kills, and genuine
oom-kills. The oom killing triggering is not always by mistake ;). Chris
if you could post the vmstat 1 that would help to be sure it's really a
kernel bug (if you already posted it in another thread just let me know
and I'll search for such an email ;). Thanks!
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-11-14 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-11 11:29 Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-11 15:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-11 12:38   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-11 16:50     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-11 13:56       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-11 21:45         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-11 19:19           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-11 17:42       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-11 21:50         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-12 11:13       ` fix for mpol mm corruption on tmpfs Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-11 21:57 ` [PATCH] fix spurious OOM kills Chris Ross
2004-11-12 16:52   ` Chris Ross
2004-11-12 23:56     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-13 23:37     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-14  9:44       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-14 10:02         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-14 17:11           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-14 17:03         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-11-14 18:16           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-14 18:27             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-14 20:21           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-16 16:30             ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17  9:08               ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17  9:23                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-17  6:06                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17  6:08                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17  6:38                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17 11:04                         ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17 10:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-17 10:50                       ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17  7:09                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17 11:49                           ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17 12:09                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-17 13:12                   ` Chris Ross
     [not found]                   ` <419CD8C1.4030506@ribosome.natur.cuni.cz>
2004-11-18 21:16                     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                       ` <419D25B5.1060504@ribosome.natur.cuni.cz>
     [not found]                         ` <419D2987.8010305@cyberone.com.au>
2004-11-19  0:03                           ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-19  0:08                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-19  8:09                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-19 16:17                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                               ` <419E821F.7010601@ribosome.natur.cuni.cz>
2004-11-20 10:23                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-20 10:45                                   ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-20 11:29                                   ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-20 13:29                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-20 21:19                                       ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-21 11:53                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-21 12:17                                           ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-21 13:57                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-22 10:55                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-23  7:41                                                 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-23 10:27                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-24 15:52                                                     ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-11-24 16:36                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-14 16:04                                                     ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2004-12-14 17:38                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 23:30                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-14 23:55                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-15  0:16                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-15  0:37                                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-15  0:48                                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-21 19:01                   ` Chris Ross
2004-11-22 12:15                     ` Chris Ross
2004-11-22  8:35                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-16  8:37           ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17  3:45   ` Andrew Morton

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