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From: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	paulmck@us.ibm.com, arjanv@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Non-GPL export of invalidate_mmap_range
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:11:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040219091132.GE17140@khan.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040218145132.460214b5.akpm@osdl.org>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:51:32PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand why IBM is pushing this dubious change right now,
> 
> It isn't a dubious change, on technical grounds.  It is reasonable for a
> distributed filesystem to want to be able to shoot down pte's which map
> sections of pagecache.  Just as it is reasonable for the filesystem to be
> able to shoot down the pagecache itself.
> 
> We've exported much lower-level stuff than this, because some in-kernel
> module happened to use it.

Probably not always the right choice, though...  I highly suspect we
far to much of our intestines are easily available.

[snip]

> We need to give Paul a reasoned and logically consistent answer to his
> request.  For that we need to establish some sort of framework against
> which to make a decision and then make the decision.  
> 
> One approach is a fait-accomplis from the top-level maintainer.  Here,
> we're trying to do it in a different way.
> 
> I have proposed two criteria upon which this should be judged:
> 
> a) Does the export make technical sense?  Do filesystems have
>    legitimate need for access to this symbol?
> 
> (really, a) is sufficient grounds, but for real-world reasons:)
> 
> b) Does the IBM filsystem meet the kernel's licensing requirements?
> 
> 
> It appears that the answers are a): yes and b) probably.

a.) Definitely
b.) Perhaps
 
> Please, feel free to add additional criteria.  We could also ask "do we
> want to withhold this symbols to encourage IBM to GPL the filesystem" or
> "do we simply refuse to export any symbol which is not used by any GPL
> software" (if so, why?).  Over to you.

Well, I wasn't altogether joking when I suggested IBM should GPL gpfs.
A couple of questions:

* Is gpfs a commercial product in the sense that it's something IBM
  earns revenue from?
* Does gpfs contain third party "Intellectual Property" (no, I'm not
  particularly fond of using that expression, but I digress)

If the answer is NO to both of these questions, why _not_ GPL the code?
If the answer is NO to only the second question, is the revenue from
gpfs big enough to warrant keeping it proprietary?

> But at the end of the day, if we decide to not export this symbol, we owe
> Paul a good, solid reason, yes?

Yup.  Silence isn't always golden, sometimes it's outright shitty.


Regards: David Weinehall
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-02-19  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-16 19:09 Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-17  2:31 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-17  7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-17 12:40   ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-18  0:19     ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-18 12:51       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-02-18 14:00         ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-18 21:10           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-18 15:06             ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-18 22:21               ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-18 22:51                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-18 23:00                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-18 16:21                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-18 23:32                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-19 12:32                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-19 18:56                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-19 19:01                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-19 13:04                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-20  3:17                             ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-20 21:46                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-19  0:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-18 18:36                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-19 12:31                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-19  9:11                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-19 18:32                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-02-19 18:38                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-02-19 19:16                             ` viro
2004-02-19 16:15                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-19 18:59                         ` Tim Bird
2004-02-20  1:27                       ` David Schwartz
2004-02-19  9:11                   ` David Weinehall [this message]
2004-02-19  8:58                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-03-04  5:51                       ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-19 10:29                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-02-19  9:00                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-19 11:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-02-19 11:53                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-02-18 18:04         ` Tim Bird
2004-02-19 20:56       ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-19 22:06         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-02-19 22:31           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-19 16:42             ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-20  2:06               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-19 19:47                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-20  5:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-20 12:02                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-20 20:37                       ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-20 14:01                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-20 23:00                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-20 16:17                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-21  3:19                               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-21 19:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-22 23:39                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-25 21:04                                   ` [RFC] Distributed mmap API Daniel Phillips
2004-02-25 19:12                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-25 19:14                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-25 22:07                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-25 22:07                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-25 22:16                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-25 22:46                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-03-03  3:00                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2004-03-03  3:15                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-03 13:06                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-03-04 18:55                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-02-20 21:17                         ` Non-GPL export of invalidate_mmap_range Christoph Hellwig
2004-02-20 22:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-02-18 12:12     ` Dominik Kubla
2004-02-17 22:22 ` David Weinehall

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