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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, hugh@veritas.com, dmccr@us.ibm.com,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Bill Irwin <wli@holomorphy.com>
Subject: Re: subobj-rmap
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:25:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030407212543.GM5750@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2640000.1049667906@[10.10.2.4]>

On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 03:25:08PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> >> We can always leave the sys_remap_file_pages stuff using pte_chains,
> > 
> > not sure why you want still to have the vm to know about the
> > mmap(VM_NONLINEAR) hack at all.
> > 
> > that's a vm bypass. I can bet the people who wants to use it for running
> > faster on the the 32bit archs will definitely prefer zero overhead and
> > full hardware speed with only the pagetable and tlb flushing trash, and
> > zero additional kernel internal overhead. that's just a vm bypass that
> > could otherwise sit in kernel module, not a real kernel API.
> 
> Well, you don't get zero overhead whatever you do. You either pay the
> cost at remap time of manipulating sub-objects, or the cost at page-touch
> time of the pte_chains stuff. I suspect sub-objects are cheaper if we
> read /write the 32K chunks, not if people mostly just touch one page
> per remap though.
> 
> What do you think about using this for the linear stuff though?

I think at this only for the linear stuff. it would solve Andrew's
exploit against objrmap, for each page we would walk only the vmas
matching the pagetables mapping to the page. However those sub-objects
have a cost, the cost will be 8bytes per fragment. the slowest part
should be the split of the subobject when a new mapping happens and the
possible flood of list_add/list_del. I'm unsure it worth.

However it would be nice to se how the current 2.4 pte walking clock
algorithm does compared to objrmap and rmap when ext2 is used because
ext3 generated an I/O bound behaviour at least for my tree, that made
any vm-side comparison invalid.

Andrea
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-07 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-04 14:34 objrmap and vmtruncate Hugh Dickins
2003-04-04 16:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-04 16:29   ` Hugh Dickins
2003-04-04 18:54 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-04 21:43   ` Hugh Dickins
2003-04-04 21:45   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-04 21:58     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-04-04 23:07     ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05  0:03       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05  0:31         ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05  1:31           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05  1:52             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-04-05  2:22               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05 10:01                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-05 10:11                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-05  2:06             ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05  2:24               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05  2:13           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-05  2:44             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05  3:24               ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05 12:06                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05 15:11                   ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found]                     ` <20030405161758.1ee19bfa.akpm@digeo.com>
2003-04-06  0:17                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-06  7:07                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-05 16:30                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05 19:01                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05 20:14                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05 21:24                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05 22:06                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-05 22:31                         ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05 23:10                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-06  1:58                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-06 14:47                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-06 21:35                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06  7:38                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06 14:51                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-06 12:37                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-06 13:12                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 11:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 11:54                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 14:31                               ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 14:56                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 15:26                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 16:20                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 16:57                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-22 17:21                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 18:08                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-22 17:34                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 18:04                                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-04-22 16:58                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-22 12:37                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-22 13:20                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 14:38                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-22 15:10                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 15:53                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-22 14:52                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-22 14:29                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-22 15:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 15:42                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 15:55                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 16:58                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-22 17:07                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 15:16                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-22 15:49                               ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 16:16                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-22 17:24                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-22 17:45                                   ` John Bradford
2003-04-22 14:32                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-22 15:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2003-04-05 21:34                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-06  9:29                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-04-05 23:25                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-05 23:57                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-06  0:14                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-06  1:39                         ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-06  2:13                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06  9:26                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-04-06  9:41                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06  9:54                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06  2:23                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-06  3:55                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-06  3:08                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-06  7:42                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06 14:49                     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-06 16:13                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-06 21:34                         ` subobj-rmap Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-06 21:42                           ` subobj-rmap Rik van Riel
2003-04-06 21:55                             ` subobj-rmap Jamie Lokier
2003-04-06 22:39                               ` subobj-rmap William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-06 22:03                             ` subobj-rmap Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-06 22:06                               ` subobj-rmap Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-06 22:15                               ` subobj-rmap Andrea Arcangeli
2003-04-06 22:25                                 ` subobj-rmap Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-07 21:25                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2003-04-06 23:06                               ` subobj-rmap Jamie Lokier
2003-04-06 23:26                                 ` subobj-rmap Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-05  3:45               ` objrmap and vmtruncate Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-05  3:59               ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-05  4:10                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-05  4:49                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-05 13:31                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-05  4:52               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-05  3:22             ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-05  3:35               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-05  3:53       ` Rik van Riel

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