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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: vm lock contention reduction
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:33:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020705073315.GU1227@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D253DC9.545865D4@zip.com.au>

On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 11:33:45PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Well.  First locks first.  kmap_lock is a bad one on x86.

Actually I thought about kmap_lock and the per-process kmaps a bit more
with Martin (cc'ed) during OLS and there is an easy process-scalable
solution to drop:

	the kmap_lock
	in turn the global pool
	in turn the global tlb flush

The only problem is that it's not anymore both atomic *and* persistent,
it's only persistent. It's also atomic if the mm_count == 1, but the
kernel cannot rely on it, it has to assume it's a blocking operation
always (you find it out if it's blocking only at runtime).

In short the same design of the per-process kmaps will work just fine if
we add a semaphore to the mm_struct. then before starting using the kmap
entry we must acquire the semaphore. This way all the global locking and
global tlb flush goes away completely for normal tasks, but still
remains the contention of that per-mm semaphore with threads doing
simutaneous pte manipulation or simultaneous pagecache I/O though.
Furthmore this I/O will be serialized, threaded benchmark like dbench
may perform poorly that way I suspect, or we should add a pool of
userspace pages so more than 1 thread is allowed to go ahead, but still
we may cacheline-bounce in the synchronization of the pool across
threads (similar to what we do now in the global pool).

Then there's the problem the pagecache/FS API should be changed to pass
the vaddr through the stack because page->virtual would go away, the
virtual address would be per-process protected by the mm->kmap_sem so we
couldn't store it in a global, all tasks can kmap the same page at the
same time at virtual vaddr. This as well will break some common code.

Last but not the least, I hope in 2.6 production I won't be running
benchmarks and profiling using a 32bit cpu anymore anyways.

So I'm not very motivated anymore in doing that change after the comment
from Linus about the issue with threads.

Andrea
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-05  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-04 23:05 Andrew Morton
2002-07-04 23:26 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-04 23:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05  1:37   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  1:49     ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05  2:18       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  2:16         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05  2:53           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  3:52             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-05  4:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-05  5:38             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  5:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-05  6:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-05  6:27                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-05  6:33                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  7:33                     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2002-07-07  2:50                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07  3:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07  3:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08 11:39                             ` Enhanced profiling support (was Re: vm lock contention reduction) John Levon
2002-07-08 17:52                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08 18:41                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10  2:22                                   ` John Levon
2002-07-10  4:16                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10  4:38                                       ` John Levon
2002-07-10  5:46                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10 13:10                                         ` bob
2002-07-07  5:16                           ` vm lock contention reduction Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07  6:13                         ` scalable kmap (was Re: vm lock contention reduction) Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07  6:37                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07  7:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07  9:04                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07 16:13                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07 18:31                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07 18:55                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07 19:02                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08  7:24                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08  8:09                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-08 14:50                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-08 20:39                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08 21:08                                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-08 21:45                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08 22:24                                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-07 16:00                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07 18:28                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08  7:11                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-08 10:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-08  7:00                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-08 17:29                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-08 22:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-09  0:16                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-09  3:17                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-09  4:28                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-09  5:28                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-09  6:15                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-09  6:30                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09  6:32                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 16:08                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-09 17:32                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-10  5:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 22:43                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-10 23:08                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 23:26                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-11  0:19                                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-12 17:48                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-13 11:18                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-09 13:59                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-08  0:38                         ` vm lock contention reduction William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-05  6:46                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05 14:25                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05 23:11         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-05 23:48           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-06  0:11             ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-06  0:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-06  0:45                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-06  0:48               ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08  0:59                 ` William Lee Irwin III

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