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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <mikeg@wen-online.de>,
	Steven Cole <elenstev@mesatop.com>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com>
Subject: Re: 2.4.8-pre1 and dbench -20% throughput
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:19:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010729231920.A10320@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B6369DE.F9085405@zip.com.au>; from akpm@zip.com.au on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:41:50AM +1000

On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:41:50AM +1000, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> Be very wary of optimising for dbench.
> 
> It's a good stress tester, but I don't think it's a good indicator of how
> well an fs or the VM is performing.  It does much more writing than a
> normal workload mix.  It generates oceans of metadata.

People should keep in mind what dbench was originally written to do
--- to be a easy-to-run proxy for the netbench benchmark, so that
developers could have a relatively easy way to determine how
well/poorly their systems would run on netbench run without having to
set up an expensive and hard-to-maintain cluster of Windows clients in
order to do a full-blown netbench benchmark.

Most people agree that netbench is a horrible benchmark, but the
reality is that it's what a lot of the world (including folks like
Mindcraft) use it for benchmarking SMB/CIFS servers.  So while we
shouldn't optimize dbench/netbench numbers at the expense of
real-world performance, we can be sure that Microsoft will be doing so
(and will no doubt call in Mindcraft or some other "independent
benchmarking/testing company" to be their shill once they've finished
with their benchmark hacking. :-)

> It would be very useful to have a standardised and very carefully
> chosen set of tests which we could use for evaluating fs and kernel
> performance.  I'm not aware of anything suitable, really.  It would
> have to be a whole bunch of datapoints sprinkled throughout a
> multidimesional space.  That's what we do at present, but it's ad-hoc.

All the gripes about dbench/netbench aside, one good thing about them
is that they hit the filesystem with a large number of operations in
parallel, which is what a fileserver under heavy load will see.
Benchmarks like Andrew and Bonnie tend to have a much more serialized
pattern of filesystem access.

						- Ted
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-07-30  3:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200107272112.f6RLC3d28206@maila.telia.com>
     [not found] ` <0107280034050V.00285@starship>
2001-07-27 23:43   ` Roger Larsson
2001-07-28  1:11     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-28  3:18     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-28 13:40       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-07-28 20:13         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-28 20:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-29 14:10             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-29 14:48               ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-29 15:34                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-29 15:31               ` Mike Galbraith
2001-07-29 16:05               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-29 20:19                 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-07-29 20:25                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-29 20:44                     ` Hugh Dickins
2001-07-29 21:20                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-29 21:51                         ` Hugh Dickins
2001-07-29 23:23                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-31  7:30                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-31 14:13                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-31 17:37                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-07-29  1:41           ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-29 14:39             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-30  3:19             ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2001-07-30 15:17               ` Randy.Dunlap
2001-07-30 16:41                 ` Theodore Tso
2001-07-30 17:52                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-07-30 19:39                 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-07-29 17:48           ` Steven Cole

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