From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Mike Galbraith <mikeg@wen-online.de>,
Steven Cole <elenstev@mesatop.com>,
Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com>
Subject: Re: 2.4.8-pre1 and dbench -20% throughput
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:19:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010729231920.A10320@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B6369DE.F9085405@zip.com.au>; from akpm@zip.com.au on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:41:50AM +1000
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:41:50AM +1000, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> Be very wary of optimising for dbench.
>
> It's a good stress tester, but I don't think it's a good indicator of how
> well an fs or the VM is performing. It does much more writing than a
> normal workload mix. It generates oceans of metadata.
People should keep in mind what dbench was originally written to do
--- to be a easy-to-run proxy for the netbench benchmark, so that
developers could have a relatively easy way to determine how
well/poorly their systems would run on netbench run without having to
set up an expensive and hard-to-maintain cluster of Windows clients in
order to do a full-blown netbench benchmark.
Most people agree that netbench is a horrible benchmark, but the
reality is that it's what a lot of the world (including folks like
Mindcraft) use it for benchmarking SMB/CIFS servers. So while we
shouldn't optimize dbench/netbench numbers at the expense of
real-world performance, we can be sure that Microsoft will be doing so
(and will no doubt call in Mindcraft or some other "independent
benchmarking/testing company" to be their shill once they've finished
with their benchmark hacking. :-)
> It would be very useful to have a standardised and very carefully
> chosen set of tests which we could use for evaluating fs and kernel
> performance. I'm not aware of anything suitable, really. It would
> have to be a whole bunch of datapoints sprinkled throughout a
> multidimesional space. That's what we do at present, but it's ad-hoc.
All the gripes about dbench/netbench aside, one good thing about them
is that they hit the filesystem with a large number of operations in
parallel, which is what a fileserver under heavy load will see.
Benchmarks like Andrew and Bonnie tend to have a much more serialized
pattern of filesystem access.
- Ted
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Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <200107272112.f6RLC3d28206@maila.telia.com>
[not found] ` <0107280034050V.00285@starship>
2001-07-27 23:43 ` Roger Larsson
2001-07-28 1:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-28 3:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-28 13:40 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-07-28 20:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-28 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-29 14:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-29 14:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-29 15:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-29 15:31 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-07-29 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-29 20:19 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-07-29 20:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-29 20:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-07-29 21:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-29 21:51 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-07-29 23:23 ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-31 7:30 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-31 14:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-31 17:37 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-07-29 1:41 ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-29 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-30 3:19 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2001-07-30 15:17 ` Randy.Dunlap
2001-07-30 16:41 ` Theodore Tso
2001-07-30 17:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-07-30 19:39 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-07-29 17:48 ` Steven Cole
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