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From: "Andrew Reilly" <areilly@bigpond.net.au>
To: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Charles Randall <crandall@matchlogic.com>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
	arch@FreeBSD.ORG, linux-mm@kvack.org, sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu
Subject: Re: on load control / process swapping
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:00:16 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518200016.A21017@gurney.reilly.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200105180620.f4I6KNd05878@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:20:23PM -0700

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:20:23PM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote:
>Terry wrote:
> :The problem in this case is _truly_ that the program in
> :question is _really_ trying to optimize its performance
> :at the expense of other programs in the system.
> 
>     The linker is seeking randomly as a side effect of
>     the linking algorithm.  It is not doing it on purpose to try
>     to save memory.  Forcing the VM system to think it's 
>     sequential causes the VM system to perform read-aheads,
>     generally reducing the actual amount of physical seeking
>     that must occur by increasing the size of the chunks
>     read from disk.  Even if the linker's dataset is huge,
>     increasing the chunk size is beneficial because linkers
>     ultimately access the entire object file anyway.  Trying
>     to save a few seeks is far more important then reading
>     extra data and having to throw half of it away.

I know that this problem is real in the case of data base index
accesses---databases have data sets larger than RAM almost by
definition---and that the problem (of dealing with "randomly"
accessed memory mapped files) should be neatly solved in
general.

But is this issue of linking really the lynch pin?

Are there _any_ programs and library sets where the union of the
code sizes is larger than physical memory?

I haven't looked at the problem myself, but (on the surface)
it doesn't seem too likely.  There is a grand total of 90M of .a
files on my system (/usr/lib, /usr/X11/lib, and /usr/local/lib),
and I doubt that even a majority of them would be needed at
once.

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Andrew
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-18 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-16 15:17 Charles Randall
2001-05-16 17:14 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 17:41   ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16 17:54     ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 19:59       ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16 20:41         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-18  5:58       ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-18  6:20         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-18 10:00           ` Andrew Reilly [this message]
2001-05-18 13:49           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-19  2:18             ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-19  2:56               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-16 17:57     ` Alfred Perlstein
2001-05-16 18:01       ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 18:10         ` Alfred Perlstein
     [not found] <OF5A705983.9566DA96-ON86256A50.00630512@hou.us.ray.com>
2001-05-18 20:13 ` Jonathan Morton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-07 21:16 Rik van Riel
2001-05-07 22:50 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-07 23:35   ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-08  0:56     ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 14:23       ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-12 17:21         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 21:17           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-12 23:58         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-13 17:22           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-15  6:38             ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-15 13:39               ` Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group
2001-05-15 15:31               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-15 17:24               ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-15 23:55                 ` Roger Larsson
2001-05-16  0:16                   ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16  8:23                 ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-16 17:26                   ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-08 20:52   ` Kirk McKusick
2001-05-09  0:18     ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-09  2:07       ` Peter Jeremy
2001-05-09 19:41         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 14:28       ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-08 12:25 ` Scott F. Kaplan

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