From: "Andrew Reilly" <areilly@bigpond.net.au>
To: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Charles Randall <crandall@matchlogic.com>,
Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
arch@FreeBSD.ORG, linux-mm@kvack.org, sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu
Subject: Re: on load control / process swapping
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:00:16 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518200016.A21017@gurney.reilly.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200105180620.f4I6KNd05878@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:20:23PM -0700
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:20:23PM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote:
>Terry wrote:
> :The problem in this case is _truly_ that the program in
> :question is _really_ trying to optimize its performance
> :at the expense of other programs in the system.
>
> The linker is seeking randomly as a side effect of
> the linking algorithm. It is not doing it on purpose to try
> to save memory. Forcing the VM system to think it's
> sequential causes the VM system to perform read-aheads,
> generally reducing the actual amount of physical seeking
> that must occur by increasing the size of the chunks
> read from disk. Even if the linker's dataset is huge,
> increasing the chunk size is beneficial because linkers
> ultimately access the entire object file anyway. Trying
> to save a few seeks is far more important then reading
> extra data and having to throw half of it away.
I know that this problem is real in the case of data base index
accesses---databases have data sets larger than RAM almost by
definition---and that the problem (of dealing with "randomly"
accessed memory mapped files) should be neatly solved in
general.
But is this issue of linking really the lynch pin?
Are there _any_ programs and library sets where the union of the
code sizes is larger than physical memory?
I haven't looked at the problem myself, but (on the surface)
it doesn't seem too likely. There is a grand total of 90M of .a
files on my system (/usr/lib, /usr/X11/lib, and /usr/local/lib),
and I doubt that even a majority of them would be needed at
once.
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Andrew
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-05-18 10:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-05-16 15:17 Charles Randall
2001-05-16 17:14 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 17:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16 17:54 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 19:59 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16 20:41 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-18 5:58 ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-18 6:20 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-18 10:00 ` Andrew Reilly [this message]
2001-05-18 13:49 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-19 2:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-19 2:56 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-16 17:57 ` Alfred Perlstein
2001-05-16 18:01 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 18:10 ` Alfred Perlstein
[not found] <OF5A705983.9566DA96-ON86256A50.00630512@hou.us.ray.com>
2001-05-18 20:13 ` Jonathan Morton
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-07 21:16 Rik van Riel
2001-05-07 22:50 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-07 23:35 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-08 0:56 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 14:23 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-12 17:21 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 21:17 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-12 23:58 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-13 17:22 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-15 6:38 ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-15 13:39 ` Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group
2001-05-15 15:31 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-15 17:24 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-15 23:55 ` Roger Larsson
2001-05-16 0:16 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 8:23 ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-16 17:26 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-08 20:52 ` Kirk McKusick
2001-05-09 0:18 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-09 2:07 ` Peter Jeremy
2001-05-09 19:41 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 14:28 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-08 12:25 ` Scott F. Kaplan
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