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From: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
To: Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au>
Cc: Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	arch@FreeBSD.ORG, linux-mm@kvack.org, sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu
Subject: Re: on load control / process swapping
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200105091941.f49JfdD98861@earth.backplane.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010509120743.Y59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>

:I don't think this follows.  A program that does something like:
:{
:	extern char	memory[BIG_NUMBER];
:	int		i;
:
:	for (i = 0; i < BIG_NUMBER; i += PAGE_SIZE)
:		memory[i]++;
:}
:will thrash nicely (assuming BIG_NUMBER is large compared to the
:currently available physical memory).  Occasionally, it will be
:runnable - at which stage it has a footprint of only two pages, but

    Why only two pages?  It looks to me like the footprint is BIG_NUMBER
    bytes.

:after executing a couple of instructions, it'll have another page
:fault.  Old pages will remain resident for some time before they age
:enough to be paged out.  If the VM system is stressed, swapping this
:process out completely would seem to be a win.

    Not exactly.  Page aging works both ways.  Just accessing a page
    once does not give it priority over everything else in the page
    queues.

:...
:you ignore spikes due to process initialisation etc, a process that
:faults very quickly after being given the CPU wants a working set size
:that is larger than the VM system currently allows.  The fault rate
:would seem to be proportional to the ratio between the wanted WSS and
:allowed RSS.  This would seem to be a useful parameter to help decide
:which process to swap out - in an ideal world the VM subsystem would
:swap processes to keep the WSS of all in-core processes at about the
:size of non-kernel RAM.
:
:Peter

    Fault rate isn't useful -- maybe faults that require large disk seeks
    would be useful, but just counting the faults themselves is not useful.

						-Matt

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-09 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-07 21:16 Rik van Riel
2001-05-07 22:50 ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-07 23:35   ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-08  0:56     ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 14:23       ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-12 17:21         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-12 21:17           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-12 23:58         ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-13 17:22           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-15  6:38             ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-15 13:39               ` Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group
2001-05-15 15:31               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-15 17:24               ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-15 23:55                 ` Roger Larsson
2001-05-16  0:16                   ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16  4:22                     ` Kernel Debugger Amarnath Jolad
2001-05-16  7:58                       ` Kris Kennaway
2001-05-16 11:42                       ` Martin Frey
2001-05-16 12:04                         ` R.Oehler
2001-05-16  8:23                 ` on load control / process swapping Terry Lambert
2001-05-16 17:26                   ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-08 20:52   ` Kirk McKusick
2001-05-09  0:18     ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-09  2:07       ` Peter Jeremy
2001-05-09 19:41         ` Matt Dillon [this message]
2001-05-12 14:28       ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-08 12:25 ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-05-16 15:17 Charles Randall
2001-05-16 17:14 Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 17:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16 17:54   ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-18  5:58     ` Terry Lambert
2001-05-18  6:20       ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-18 10:00         ` Andrew Reilly
2001-05-18 13:49         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-19  2:18           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-19  2:56             ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-16 17:57   ` Alfred Perlstein
2001-05-16 18:01     ` Matt Dillon
2001-05-16 18:10       ` Alfred Perlstein
     [not found] <OF5A705983.9566DA96-ON86256A50.00630512@hou.us.ray.com>
2001-05-18 20:13 ` Jonathan Morton

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