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From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Szabolcs Szakacsits <szaka@f-secure.com>,
	"James A. Sutherland" <jas88@cam.ac.uk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:14:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010419111457.C28865@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104181918290.17635-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 07:29:26PM -0300

Hi,

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 07:29:26PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Szabolcs Szakacsits wrote:
> 
> > This is not true. There *is* progress, it just can be painful slow.
> 
> "Painfully slow" when you are thrashing  ==  "root cannot login
> because his login times out every time he tries to login".

Not necessarily.  If we can guarantee a minimal working set size to
all active processes when under severe VM load, then processes like
login may still be slow but they will at least be able to make
progress.  The existance of thrashing will obviously have an impact on
the swap device performance for all processes, but the thrashing's
impact on other processes' working sets can, and should, be
controlled.

> THIS is why we need process suspension in the kernel.

Not necessarily.  Creating a minimal working set guarantee for small
tasks is one way to avoid the need for process suspension.  Creating a
dynamic working set upper limit for large, thrashing tasks is a way to
avoid the thrashing tasks from impacting everybody else too much.
There are many possible ways forward, and I am not yet convinced that
process suspension is necessary.

Cheers,
 Stephen
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-19 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-12 16:58 [PATCH] a simple OOM killer to save me from Netscape Slats Grobnik
2001-04-12 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-12 18:49   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-13  6:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-13 16:20     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-14  1:20       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-16 21:06         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-16 21:40           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-16 22:12             ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 22:21             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 14:26               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 19:53                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 20:44                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 20:59                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 21:09                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-14  7:00       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-15  5:05         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-15  5:20           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 11:52         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-16 12:17       ` suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-17 19:48         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-18 21:32           ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 20:38             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-18 23:25               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 22:29                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 10:14                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
2001-04-19 13:23                   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19  2:11                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19  7:08                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 13:37                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 12:26                       ` Christoph Rohland
2001-04-19 12:30                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19  9:15                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:34             ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:47               ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:53                 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 19:10                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 14:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21  6:10                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 19:13                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 19:47                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-04-20 12:44                       ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 20:06                     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:29                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 11:50                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 13:32                         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 14:30                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:21                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:25                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-21  6:08                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:18               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-22 10:19                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 10:58 ` limit for number of processes Uman
2001-04-19 14:03 suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Jonathan Morton
2001-04-19 18:25 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:32   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 20:23     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 12:14     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 12:02       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 14:48       ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-21  5:49       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-21 19:16         ` Joseph A. Knapka
2001-04-21 19:41           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 10:08             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 16:53               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 17:06                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 18:18                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 18:57                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 19:41                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:33                         ` Jean Francois Martinez
2001-04-22 20:21                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:36                         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 19:01                     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:11                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:36                         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:30                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:35                         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:41                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:58                             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 21:26                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 22:26                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-23  5:55                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-23  5:59                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21 20:29           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:08           ` James A. Sutherland

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