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From: jfm2@club-internet.fr
To: jas88@cam.ac.uk
Cc: jfm2@club-internet.fr, ingo.oeser@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de,
	riel@conectiva.com.br, torvalds@transmeta.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Discussion on my OOM killer API
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:43:58 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001027224358.C3687F42C@agnes.fremen.dune> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010272309040.17292-100000@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk> (message from James Sutherland on Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:11:11 +0100 (BST))

> 
> > Only solution is to allow the OOM never to be swapped but you also
> > need all libraries to remain in memory or have the kernel check OOM is
> > statically linked.  However this user space OOM will then have a
> > sigificantly memory larger footprint than a kernel one and don't
> > forget it cannot be swapped.
> 
> Not necessarily "significantly larger"; it can be small and simple without
> using any libraries.
> 

This I agree: a selfcontained source (ie no use of library functions
because these have to be general so marge) can produce a small binary
if you link it adequately (ie not with the standard C initilization
code).


> > > > The original idea was an simple "I install a module and lock it
> > > > into memory" approach[1] for kernel hackers, which is _really_
> > > > easy to to and flexibility for nothing[2].
> > > > 
> > > > If the Rik and Linus prefer the user-accessable variant via
> > > > /proc, I'll happily implement this.
> > > > 
> > > > I just intended to solve a "religious" discussion via code
> > > > instead of words ;-)
> > > 
> > > I was planning to implement a user-side OOM killer myself - perhaps we
> > > could split the work, you do kernel-side, I'll do the userspace bits?
> > > 
> > 
> > Hhere is an heuristic who tends to work well ;-)
> > 
> > if (short_on_memory == TRUE )  {
> >      kill_all_copies_of_netscape()
> > }
> 
> Yes, that's a good start. Now we've done that, but we're still OOM, what
> do you kill next?
> 

I thought you would notice it was a joke.  Since 99% of OOMs are
produced by netscape best kill netscape first and ask questions later.

-- 
			Jean Francois Martinez

Project Independence: Linux for the Masses
http://www.independence.seul.org

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-10-27 22:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20001019122331.H840@nightmaster.csn.tu-chemnitz.de>
2000-10-19 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-26 20:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-26 21:16     ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-26 22:33       ` Mark Hahn
2000-10-26 23:58       ` James Sutherland
2000-10-27  0:10         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-27  6:46           ` James Sutherland
2000-10-27  7:39             ` Gábor Lénárt
2000-10-27 13:54               ` James Sutherland
2000-10-27 17:10         ` Ingo Oeser
2000-10-27 17:36           ` James Sutherland
2000-10-27 22:12             ` jfm2
2000-10-27 22:11               ` James Sutherland
2000-10-27 22:43                 ` jfm2 [this message]
2000-10-27 22:51                   ` James Sutherland
2000-10-28  4:48                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2000-10-28  7:29                   ` James Sutherland
2000-10-30  9:02               ` G?bor L?n?rt
2000-10-30  9:41                 ` James Sutherland
2000-10-30  9:53                   ` G?bor L?n?rt
2000-10-30 12:18                     ` J.A. Sutherland
2000-10-29 19:30             ` Ingo Oeser
2000-10-29 20:41               ` James Sutherland

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