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From: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Jim Gettys <jg@pa.dec.com>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Byron Stanoszek <gandalf@winds.org>,
	MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:41:17 +0200 (MEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200010101441.QAA11537@cave.bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010091446500.1438-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> from Linus Torvalds at "Oct 9, 2000 02:50:51 pm"

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Basically, the only thing _I_ think X can do is to really say "oh, please
> don't count my memory, because everything I do I do for my clients, not
> for myself". 
> 
> THAT is my argument. Basically there is nothing we can reliably account.
> 
> So we might as well fall back on just saying "X is more important than
> some random client", and have a mm niceness level. Which right now is
> obviously approximated by the IO capabilities tests etc.

FYI:

I ran my machine out of memory (without crashing by the way) this
weekend by loading a whole bunch of large images into netscape. I
noticed not being able to open more windows when I saw my swapspace
exhausted. I noticed the large netscape, and killed it. 

At that moment my X was still taking 80Mb of RAM. I manually killed it
and restarted it to get rid of that memory. 

So if Netscape can "pump" 40 extra megabytes of memory out of X, this
can be exploited. 

Now we're back to the point that a heuristic can never be right all
the time......

			Roger. 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-10-10 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-06 18:59 Rik van Riel
2000-10-06 20:19 ` Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-06 20:31   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 10:12     ` Marco Colombo
2000-10-09 11:27       ` Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-09 16:26       ` Kurt Garloff
2000-10-09 18:29         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-10-09 17:27       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 17:25         ` Mark Hahn
2000-10-09 17:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 17:47           ` Ed Tomlinson
2000-10-09 18:01             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 18:14       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 18:47         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 18:52           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 19:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 19:38         ` Marco Colombo
2000-10-06 21:27   ` David Weinehall
2000-10-06 23:21     ` David Weinehall
2000-10-09 18:28   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 18:42     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 19:05       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 19:07         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 19:42           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 20:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:06               ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-09 20:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:12                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:18                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  3:23                         ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-09 20:38                       ` James Sutherland
2000-10-09 20:40                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  9:59                           ` J.A. Sutherland
2000-10-09 20:44                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 21:52                         ` Aaron Sethman
2000-10-09 21:54                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 22:29                       ` FORT David
2000-10-09 20:52                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 20:58                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-09 21:21                     ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 21:28                       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-09 21:34                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-09 21:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 21:39                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-10 13:17                               ` Marco Colombo
2000-10-09 21:44                           ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 21:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 22:07                               ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 23:13                                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-10-09 23:16                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 23:46                                   ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-10  9:46                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2000-10-10 14:41                               ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2000-10-10 17:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 21:51                           ` Alan Cox
2000-10-09 21:40                         ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 21:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 22:08                     ` Gerrit.Huizenga
2000-10-09 22:34                       ` Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-09 22:57                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  0:25                         ` [RFC] New ideas for the " Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-09 20:11               ` [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & " Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 20:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 20:47                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:57                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 21:10                   ` Peter Waltenberg
2000-10-09 22:25                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 22:59                       ` Peter Waltenberg
2000-10-09 23:52                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 23:10                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:10               ` Alan Cox
2000-10-09 21:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 21:26                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 21:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  9:09                         ` john slee
2000-10-09 20:06             ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:18               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-10  3:29               ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-10 15:06                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 15:24                   ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-10 15:30                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 15:37                       ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-09 20:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:08             ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:22               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:28                 ` David Ford
2000-10-09 20:34                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:45                     ` David Ford
2000-10-10  4:22                       ` Andreas Dilger
2000-10-10  4:30                         ` David Ford
2000-10-10  9:54                         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-10-09 23:35           ` Ingo Oeser
2000-10-10 15:07             ` [PATCH] OOM killer API (was: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler) Ingo Oeser
2000-10-10 15:32               ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 16:11                 ` Ingo Oeser
2000-10-10 18:57                 ` Tom Rini
2000-10-10 20:58                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 22:46                     ` Tom Rini
2000-10-09 19:30       ` [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler David Ford
2000-10-09 19:58         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 20:14           ` David Ford
2000-10-09 20:05         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:07         ` Alan Cox
2000-10-10  3:38           ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-10 14:07             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 18:07 Wagner, Dave
2000-10-09 20:27 ` James Sutherland
2000-10-09 19:06 Hubertus Franke/Watson/IBM

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