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From: Kurt Garloff <garloff@suse.de>
To: Marco Colombo <marco@esi.it>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:26:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001009182651.S1679@garloff.etpnet.phys.tue.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010091159430.20087-100000@Megathlon.ESI>; from marco@esi.it on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:12:02PM +0200

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On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:12:02PM +0200, Marco Colombo wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> [...]
> > They are niced because the user thinks them a bit less
> > important. 
> 
> Please don't, this assumption is quite wrong. I use nice just to be
> 'nice' to other users. I can run my *important* CPU hog simulation
> nice +10 in order to let other people get more CPU when the need it.
> But if you put the logic "niced == not important" somewhere into the
> kernel, nobody will use nice anymore. I'd rather give a bonus to niced
> processes.

I could not agree more. Normally, you'd better kill a foreground task
(running nice 0) than selecting one of those background jobs for some
reasons:
* The foreground job can be restarted by the interactive user
  (Most likely, it will be only netscape anyway)
* The background job probably is the more useful one which has been running
  since a longer time (computations, ...)
* If we put any policy like this into the kernel at all, I'd rather
  encourage the usage of nice instead of discouraging it.

I assume here backgrd job == niced job, which mostly is the case in reality.

Regards,
-- 
Kurt Garloff  <garloff@suse.de>                          Eindhoven, NL
GPG key: See mail header, key servers         Linux kernel development
SuSE GmbH, Nuernberg, FRG                               SCSI, Security

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-10-09 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-06 18:59 Rik van Riel
2000-10-06 20:19 ` Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-06 20:31   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 10:12     ` Marco Colombo
2000-10-09 11:27       ` Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-09 16:26       ` Kurt Garloff [this message]
2000-10-09 18:29         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-10-09 17:27       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 17:25         ` Mark Hahn
2000-10-09 17:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 17:47           ` Ed Tomlinson
2000-10-09 18:01             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 18:14       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 18:47         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 18:52           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 19:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 19:38         ` Marco Colombo
2000-10-06 21:27   ` David Weinehall
2000-10-06 23:21     ` David Weinehall
2000-10-09 18:28   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 18:42     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 19:05       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 19:07         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 19:42           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 20:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:06               ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-09 20:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:12                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:18                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  3:23                         ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-09 20:38                       ` James Sutherland
2000-10-09 20:40                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  9:59                           ` J.A. Sutherland
2000-10-09 20:44                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 21:52                         ` Aaron Sethman
2000-10-09 21:54                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 22:29                       ` FORT David
2000-10-09 20:52                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 20:58                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-09 21:21                     ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 21:28                       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-09 21:34                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-09 21:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 21:39                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-10 13:17                               ` Marco Colombo
2000-10-09 21:44                           ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 21:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 22:07                               ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 23:13                                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-10-09 23:16                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 23:46                                   ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-10  9:46                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2000-10-10 14:41                               ` Rogier Wolff
2000-10-10 17:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 21:51                           ` Alan Cox
2000-10-09 21:40                         ` Jim Gettys
2000-10-09 21:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 22:08                     ` Gerrit.Huizenga
2000-10-09 22:34                       ` Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-09 22:57                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  0:25                         ` [RFC] New ideas for the " Byron Stanoszek
2000-10-09 20:11               ` [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & " Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 20:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-09 20:47                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:57                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 21:10                   ` Peter Waltenberg
2000-10-09 22:25                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 22:59                       ` Peter Waltenberg
2000-10-09 23:52                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 23:10                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:10               ` Alan Cox
2000-10-09 21:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 21:26                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 21:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10  9:09                         ` john slee
2000-10-09 20:06             ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:18               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-10  3:29               ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-10 15:06                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 15:24                   ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-10 15:30                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 15:37                       ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-09 20:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:08             ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:22               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-09 20:28                 ` David Ford
2000-10-09 20:34                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 20:45                     ` David Ford
2000-10-10  4:22                       ` Andreas Dilger
2000-10-10  4:30                         ` David Ford
2000-10-10  9:54                         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-10-09 23:35           ` Ingo Oeser
2000-10-10 15:07             ` [PATCH] OOM killer API (was: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler) Ingo Oeser
2000-10-10 15:32               ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 16:11                 ` Ingo Oeser
2000-10-10 18:57                 ` Tom Rini
2000-10-10 20:58                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-10 22:46                     ` Tom Rini
2000-10-09 19:30       ` [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler David Ford
2000-10-09 19:58         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 20:14           ` David Ford
2000-10-09 20:05         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 21:07         ` Alan Cox
2000-10-10  3:38           ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-10-10 14:07             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-09 18:07 Wagner, Dave
2000-10-09 20:27 ` James Sutherland
2000-10-09 19:06 Hubertus Franke/Watson/IBM

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