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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
	MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:44:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000926004429.D5010@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20000925205457.Y2615@redhat.com>; from sct@redhat.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:54:57PM +0100

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:54:57PM +0100, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
> OK, and here's another simple real life example.  A 2GB RAM machine
> running something like Oracle with a hundred client processes all
> shm-mapping the same shared memory segment.

Oracle takes the SHM locked, and it will never run on a machine without
enough memory.

> Oh, and you're also doing lots of file IO.  How on earth do you decide
> what to swap and what to page out in this sort of scenario, where
> basically the whole of memory is data cache, some of which is mapped
> and some of which is not?

As as said in the last email aging on the cache is supposed to that.

Wasting CPU and incrasing the complexity of the algorithm is a price
that I won't pay just to get the information on when it's time
to recall swap_out().

If the cache have no age it means I'd better throw it out instead
of swapping/unmapping out stuff, simple?

> anything since last time.  Anything that only ages per-pte, not
> per-page, is simply going to die horribly under such load, and any

The aging on the fs cache is done per-page.

The per-pte issue happens when we just took the difficult decision (that it was
time to swap-out) and you have the same problem because you don't know the
chain of pte that point to the physical page (so you're refresh the referenced
bit more often). Once we'll have the chain of pte pointing to the page
classzone will only need a real lru for the mapped pages to use it instead of
walking pagetables.

Andrea
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Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-09-24 10:11 __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 19:34         ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 20:20           ` Rui Sousa
2000-09-24 20:24           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 20:26             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:43                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 22:13                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 22:36                       ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks bert hubert
2000-09-24 23:41                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:24                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 17:03                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 18:06                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:32                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:28                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:26                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:51                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 23:03                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 23:18                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-26  0:32                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-25 23:00                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:54                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 22:44                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2000-09-25 22:42                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-26  6:54                                     ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 14:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26 16:20                                         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 17:10                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  8:11                                             ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27  8:28                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:24                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 13:56                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 16:56                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 17:42                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 18:25                                                     ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 18:55                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 10:08                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:16                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 14:52                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 14:39                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-29 14:55                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 15:40                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:31                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 14:54                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 15:13                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 15:23                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 16:16                                                         ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-28 14:31                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:21                           ` bert hubert
2000-09-25 17:49                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:09                         ` Miles Lane
2000-09-25 15:51                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:06                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:20                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:29                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  4:56                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  5:19                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  6:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  6:17                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 21:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 13:42                       ` [CFT][PATCH] ext2 directories in pagecache Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 21:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:16                         ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-26 22:31                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:47                             ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-27  7:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:22                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:19                         ` Andreas Dilger
2000-09-26 23:33                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:44                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:09                 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  0:49                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:53                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25  1:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:39                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 15:36                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 10:42                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:02                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:08                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:12                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:30                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:04                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:23                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:27                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:39                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:43                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:10                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:24                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:26                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:22                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 19:10                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2000-09-26 20:16                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:42                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 12:11                                                     ` yodaiken
2000-09-27 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:09                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 14:26                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 14:50                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:47                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:16                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:16                                   ` the new VMt Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:33                                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:41                                     ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:02                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:04                                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:19                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:18                                             ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:41                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 16:41                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:49                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:03                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:17                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:10                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 17:27                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:15                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:14                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2000-09-25 20:23                                               ` Russell King
2000-09-25 16:28                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:11                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:17                                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:36                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 16:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:01                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 17:06                                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:31                                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-09-25 17:51                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 19:03                                                     ` the new VMt [4MB+ blocks] Matti Aarnio
2000-09-25 20:02                                                       ` Stephen Williams
2000-09-25 16:33                                             ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26  8:38                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-26  8:52                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-26  9:02                                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-25 16:53                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:42                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:39                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:51                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:43                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:13                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 18:21                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:09                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 19:21                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:52                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 17:18                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 17:51                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:04                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 18:13                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:24                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:34                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:48                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 19:25                                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 20:04                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 20:35                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:46                                                             ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 21:07                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26  9:54                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:17                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:47                                                             ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-09-25 21:12                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 10:07                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:30                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:32                                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 12:10                                                           ` Mark Hemment
2000-09-27 10:13                                                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-27 12:55                                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2000-09-28  3:25                                                                 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-25 23:14                                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 15:17                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 16:04                                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:02                                                               ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 17:08                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:45                                                                   ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 10:20                                                                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-26 21:13                                                                   ` Eric Lowe
2000-09-25 18:20                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:16                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:55                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:48                                   ` the new VM Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:40                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:01                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:37                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 20:34                               ` Christoph Rohland
2000-10-06 16:14                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09  7:37                                   ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-25 13:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:19                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:31                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:47                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:31                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:27                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  2:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:01                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 13:47                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 12:58                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:49                           ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:11                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:05                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 16:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:05                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:23                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:20                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:11                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:33                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:57                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:13                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:08                                 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:29                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:18                                     ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:47                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 21:28                                         ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 22:14                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:13                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:29                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:46                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:53                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:02                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:38     ` __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 23:20       ` Alan Cox

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