From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: the new VM
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:39:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000925163909.O22882@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009251625090.9122-100000@elte.hu>; from mingo@elte.hu on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:27:24PM +0200
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:27:24PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> i think an application should not fail due to other applications
> allocating too much RAM. OOM behavior should be a central thing and based
At least Linus's point is that doing perfect accounting (at least on the
userspace allocation side) may cause you to waste resources, failing even if
you could still run and I tend to agree with him. We're lazy on that
side and that's global win in most cases.
We are finegrined with page granularity, not with the mmap granularity.
The point is that not all the mmapped regions are going to be pagedin. Think a
program that only after 1 hour did all the calculations that allocated all
the memory it requested with malloc. Before the hour passes the unused memory
can still be used for other things and that's what the user also expects
when he runs `free`.
Andrea
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Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-09-24 10:11 __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 19:34 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 20:20 ` Rui Sousa
2000-09-24 20:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 20:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:43 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 22:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 22:36 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks bert hubert
2000-09-24 23:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:24 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 17:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 18:06 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:26 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:26 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 23:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 23:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-26 0:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30 ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-25 23:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:54 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 22:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:42 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-26 6:54 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 14:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26 16:20 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 17:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 8:11 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 8:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 9:24 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 13:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 16:56 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 17:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 18:25 ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 18:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 10:08 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:16 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 14:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 14:39 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-29 14:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 15:40 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 14:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 15:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 15:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 16:16 ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-28 14:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:21 ` bert hubert
2000-09-25 17:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:09 ` Miles Lane
2000-09-25 15:51 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:06 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 4:56 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 5:19 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 6:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 6:17 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 21:21 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 13:42 ` [CFT][PATCH] ext2 directories in pagecache Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 21:29 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:16 ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-26 22:31 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:47 ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-27 7:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 9:22 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:19 ` Andreas Dilger
2000-09-26 23:33 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:44 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 0:09 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 0:49 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 0:53 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 1:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 2:39 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 15:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 10:42 ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2000-09-25 14:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:22 ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 19:10 ` Pavel Machek
2000-09-26 20:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 12:11 ` yodaiken
2000-09-27 14:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:09 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 14:26 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 14:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:47 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:16 ` the new VMt Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:33 ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:41 ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:04 ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:18 ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 16:41 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:10 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 17:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 7:14 ` Rusty Russell
2000-09-25 20:23 ` Russell King
2000-09-25 16:28 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:17 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:01 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 17:06 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:31 ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-09-25 17:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 19:03 ` the new VMt [4MB+ blocks] Matti Aarnio
2000-09-25 20:02 ` Stephen Williams
2000-09-25 16:33 ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26 8:38 ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-26 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-26 9:02 ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-25 16:53 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:42 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:39 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:51 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:43 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:13 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 18:21 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:09 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 19:21 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:52 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 17:18 ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 17:51 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 18:13 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:24 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:34 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 19:25 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 20:04 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:23 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 20:35 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:46 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 21:07 ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 9:54 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:17 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:47 ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-09-25 21:12 ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 10:07 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:30 ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:32 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 12:10 ` Mark Hemment
2000-09-27 10:13 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-27 12:55 ` Hugh Dickins
2000-09-28 3:25 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-25 23:14 ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 15:17 ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 16:04 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:02 ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 17:08 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:45 ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 10:20 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-26 21:13 ` Eric Lowe
2000-09-25 18:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:16 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:55 ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:48 ` the new VM Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:40 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:37 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 20:34 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-10-06 16:14 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09 7:37 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-25 13:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 1:31 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 1:27 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 2:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 2:01 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 13:47 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 10:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 12:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:49 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:05 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 16:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:11 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:18 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 21:28 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 22:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:38 ` __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 23:20 ` Alan Cox
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