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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
	MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: the new VM
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:04:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000925160412.G22882@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009251529010.6224-100000@elte.hu>; from mingo@elte.hu on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 03:39:51PM +0200

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 03:39:51PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> Andrea, if you really mean this then you should not be let near the VM
> balancing code :-)

What I mean is that the VM balancing is in the lower layer that knows anything
about the per-socket gigabit ethernet skbs limits, the limit should live at the
higher layer. For most code just checking for NULL in GFP is fine (for example
do_anonymous_page). It's the caller (not the VM balancing developer) that
shouldn't be let near his code if it allows his code to fill all the physical
ram with his stuff causing the machine to run OOM.

> > Most dynamic big caches and kernel data can be shrinked dynamically
> > during memory pressure (pheraps except skbs and I agree that for skbs
> > on gigabit ethernet the thing is a little different).
> 
> a big 'except'. You dont need gigabit for that, to the contrary, if the

I talked with Alexey about this and it seems the best way is to have a
per-socket reservation of clean cache in function of the receive window.  So we
don't need an huge atomic pool but we can have a special lru with an irq
spinlock that is able to shrink cache from irq as well.

> about how many D.O.S. attacks there are possible without implicit or
> explicit bean counting.

Again: the bean counting and all the limit happens at the higher layer.  I
shouldn't know anything about it when I play with the lower layer GFP memory
balancing code.

Andrea
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Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-09-24 10:11 __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 19:34         ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 20:20           ` Rui Sousa
2000-09-24 20:24           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 20:26             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:43                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 22:13                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 22:36                       ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks bert hubert
2000-09-24 23:41                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:24                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 17:03                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 18:06                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:32                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:28                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:26                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:51                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 23:03                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 23:18                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-26  0:32                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-25 23:00                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:54                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 22:44                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:42                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-26  6:54                                     ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 14:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26 16:20                                         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 17:10                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  8:11                                             ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27  8:28                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:24                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 13:56                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 16:56                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 17:42                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 18:25                                                     ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 18:55                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 10:08                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:16                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 14:52                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 14:39                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-29 14:55                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 15:40                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:31                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 14:54                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 15:13                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 15:23                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 16:16                                                         ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-28 14:31                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:21                           ` bert hubert
2000-09-25 17:49                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:09                         ` Miles Lane
2000-09-25 15:51                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:06                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:20                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:29                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  4:56                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  5:19                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  6:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  6:17                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 21:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 13:42                       ` [CFT][PATCH] ext2 directories in pagecache Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 21:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:16                         ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-26 22:31                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:47                             ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-27  7:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:22                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:19                         ` Andreas Dilger
2000-09-26 23:33                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:44                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:09                 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  0:49                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:53                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25  1:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:39                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 15:36                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 10:42                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:02                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:08                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:12                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:30                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2000-09-25 14:04                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:23                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:27                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:39                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:43                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:10                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:24                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:26                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:22                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 19:10                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2000-09-26 20:16                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:42                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 12:11                                                     ` yodaiken
2000-09-27 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:09                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 14:26                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 14:50                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:47                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:16                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:16                                   ` the new VMt Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:33                                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:41                                     ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:02                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:04                                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:19                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:18                                             ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:41                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 16:41                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:49                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:03                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:17                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:10                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 17:27                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:15                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:14                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2000-09-25 20:23                                               ` Russell King
2000-09-25 16:28                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:11                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:17                                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:36                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 16:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:01                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 17:06                                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:31                                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-09-25 17:51                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 19:03                                                     ` the new VMt [4MB+ blocks] Matti Aarnio
2000-09-25 20:02                                                       ` Stephen Williams
2000-09-25 16:33                                             ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26  8:38                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-26  8:52                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-26  9:02                                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-25 16:53                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:42                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:39                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:51                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:43                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:13                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 18:21                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:09                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 19:21                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:52                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 17:18                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 17:51                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:04                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 18:13                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:24                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:34                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:48                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 19:25                                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 20:04                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 20:35                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:46                                                             ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 21:07                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26  9:54                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:17                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:47                                                             ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-09-25 21:12                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 10:07                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:30                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:32                                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 12:10                                                           ` Mark Hemment
2000-09-27 10:13                                                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-27 12:55                                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2000-09-28  3:25                                                                 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-25 23:14                                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 15:17                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 16:04                                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:02                                                               ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 17:08                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:45                                                                   ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 10:20                                                                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-26 21:13                                                                   ` Eric Lowe
2000-09-25 18:20                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:16                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:55                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:48                                   ` the new VM Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:40                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:01                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:37                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 20:34                               ` Christoph Rohland
2000-10-06 16:14                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09  7:37                                   ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-25 13:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:19                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:31                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:47                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:31                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:27                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  2:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:01                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 13:47                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 12:58                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:49                           ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:11                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:05                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 16:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:05                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:23                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:20                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:11                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:33                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:57                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:13                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:08                                 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:29                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:18                                     ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:47                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 21:28                                         ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 22:14                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:13                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:29                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:46                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:53                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:02                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:38     ` __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 23:20       ` Alan Cox

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