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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
	MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: the new VM
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:30:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000925153050.C22882@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009251511050.6224-100000@elte.hu>; from mingo@elte.hu on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 03:12:58PM +0200

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 03:12:58PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> well, i think all kernel-space allocations have to be limited carefully,

When a machine without a gigabit ethernet runs oom it's userspace that
allocated the memory via page faults not the kernel.

And if the careful limit avoids the deadlock in the layer above alloc_pages,
then it will also avoid alloc_pages to return NULL and you won't need an
infinite loop in first place (unless the memory balancing is buggy).

GFP should return NULL only if the machine is out of memory. The kernel can be
written in a way that never deadlocks when the machine is out of memory just
checking the GFP retval. I don't think any in-kernel resource limit is
necessary to have things reliable and fast. Most dynamic big caches and kernel
data can be shrinked dynamically during memory pressure (pheraps except skbs
and I agree that for skbs on gigabit ethernet the thing is a little different).

Andrea
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Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-09-24 10:11 __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 19:34         ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 20:20           ` Rui Sousa
2000-09-24 20:24           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 20:26             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:43                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 22:13                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 22:36                       ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks bert hubert
2000-09-24 23:41                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:24                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 17:03                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 18:06                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:32                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:28                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:26                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:51                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 23:03                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 23:18                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-26  0:32                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-25 23:00                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:54                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 22:44                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:42                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-26  6:54                                     ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 14:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26 16:20                                         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 17:10                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  8:11                                             ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27  8:28                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:24                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 13:56                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 16:56                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 17:42                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 18:25                                                     ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 18:55                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 10:08                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:16                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 14:52                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 14:39                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-29 14:55                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 15:40                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:31                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 14:54                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 15:13                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 15:23                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 16:16                                                         ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-28 14:31                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:21                           ` bert hubert
2000-09-25 17:49                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:09                         ` Miles Lane
2000-09-25 15:51                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:06                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:20                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:29                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  4:56                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  5:19                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  6:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  6:17                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 21:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 13:42                       ` [CFT][PATCH] ext2 directories in pagecache Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 21:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:16                         ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-26 22:31                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:47                             ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-27  7:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:22                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:19                         ` Andreas Dilger
2000-09-26 23:33                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:44                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:09                 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  0:49                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:53                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25  1:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:39                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 15:36                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 10:42                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:02                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:08                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:12                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:30                               ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2000-09-25 13:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:04                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:23                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:27                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:39                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:43                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:10                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:24                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:26                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:22                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 19:10                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2000-09-26 20:16                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:42                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 12:11                                                     ` yodaiken
2000-09-27 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:09                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 14:26                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 14:50                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:47                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:16                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:16                                   ` the new VMt Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:33                                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:41                                     ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:02                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:04                                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:19                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:18                                             ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:41                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 16:41                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:49                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:03                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:17                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:10                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 17:27                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:15                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:14                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2000-09-25 20:23                                               ` Russell King
2000-09-25 16:28                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:11                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:17                                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:36                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 16:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:01                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 17:06                                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:31                                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-09-25 17:51                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 19:03                                                     ` the new VMt [4MB+ blocks] Matti Aarnio
2000-09-25 20:02                                                       ` Stephen Williams
2000-09-25 16:33                                             ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26  8:38                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-26  8:52                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-26  9:02                                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-25 16:53                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:42                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:39                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:51                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:43                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:13                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 18:21                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:09                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 19:21                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:52                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 17:18                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 17:51                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:04                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 18:13                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:24                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:34                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:48                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 19:25                                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 20:04                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 20:35                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:46                                                             ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 21:07                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26  9:54                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:17                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:47                                                             ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-09-25 21:12                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 10:07                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:30                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:32                                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 12:10                                                           ` Mark Hemment
2000-09-27 10:13                                                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-27 12:55                                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2000-09-28  3:25                                                                 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-25 23:14                                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 15:17                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 16:04                                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:02                                                               ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 17:08                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:45                                                                   ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 10:20                                                                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-26 21:13                                                                   ` Eric Lowe
2000-09-25 18:20                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:16                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:55                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:48                                   ` the new VM Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:40                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:01                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:37                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 20:34                               ` Christoph Rohland
2000-10-06 16:14                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09  7:37                                   ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-25 13:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:19                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:31                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:47                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:31                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:27                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  2:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:01                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 13:47                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 12:58                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:49                           ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:11                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:05                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 16:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:05                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:23                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:20                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:11                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:33                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:57                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:13                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:08                                 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:29                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:18                                     ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:47                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 21:28                                         ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 22:14                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:13                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:29                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:46                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:53                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:02                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:38     ` __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 23:20       ` Alan Cox

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