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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: Raymond Nijssen <raymond@zeropage.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: maximum memory limit
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:32:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000703153213.B29421@pcep-jamie.cern.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20000703113525.F2699@redhat.com>; from sct@redhat.com on Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 11:35:25AM +0100

Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
> libc can easily mmap /dev/zero in chunks of multiple MB at a time if
> it wants to, and can then dole out that memory as if it was a huge
> piece of the heap without kernel involvement.

Several allocators already do that (including GCC's), but Glibc doesn't
AFAIK.

> You cannot have an arbitrarily growable heap, AND an arbitrarily
> growable stack, AND have the kernel correctly guess where to place
> mmaps.
> 
> One answer may be to start mmaps down near the heap boundary, and to
> teach glibc to be more willing to use mmap() for even small mallocs.
> That may break custom malloc libraries but should give the best
> results for code which uses the standard glibc malloc: it doesn't
> artificially restrain the stack or the mmap area.  Anything
> relying directly on [s]brk will be affected, of course.

There are lots of custom malloc libraries.  If you're going to teach
Glibc something anyway, why not add a new mmap flag?

One flag I think would be quite useful is MAP_NOCLOBBER|MAP_FIXED: there
are times when I'd like to be able to _try_ mapping something at a fixed
address, but fail if there is something mapped there already.  Currently
it's necessary to parse /proc/self/maps, and that's far from thread
safe.

The obvious use is for pre-relocated shared libraries, which can run at
any address but will load faster and share more pages if loaded at a
specific address.  (Especially if they're non-PIC).

As a natural extension, a map flag which says "try to map at the
supplied address, but if there is an object there search for a big
enough hole above the supplied address" would simultaneously be useful
for malloc optimisations like you're suggesting, and pre-relocated
shared libraries.  That would be MAP_NOCLOBBER without MAP_FIXED.

-- Jamie
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-07-03 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <381740616.949993193648.JavaMail.root@web36.pub01>
2000-02-08 14:08 ` Rik van Riel
2000-02-08 14:48   ` Matthew Kirkwood
2000-02-08 15:04   ` Mark Hahn
2000-02-08 15:25   ` Jakub Jelinek
2000-02-08 16:13   ` Rogier Wolff
2000-02-08 16:25   ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-07-02  5:35   ` Raymond Nijssen
2000-07-03 10:35     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-03 13:32       ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2000-07-03 14:18         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-03 15:01           ` Jamie Lokier
2000-07-03 19:32       ` Raymond Nijssen

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