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From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: "Quintela Carreira Juan J." <quintela@fi.udc.es>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Hans Reiser <hans@reiser.to>, bert hubert <ahu@ds9a.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Alexander Zarochentcev <zam@odintsovo.comcor.ru>
Subject: Re: journaling & VM  (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot just the code)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:35:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000607163519.S30951@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yttog5decvq.fsf@serpe.mitica>; from quintela@fi.udc.es on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 05:20:41PM +0200

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 05:20:41PM +0200, Quintela Carreira Juan J. wrote:
> 
> stephen> It doesn't matter.  *If* the filesystem knows better than the 
> stephen> page cleaner what progress can be made, then let the filesystem
> stephen> make progress where it can.  There are likely to be transaction
> stephen> dependencies which mean we have to clean some pages in a specific
> stephen> order.  As soon as the page cleaner starts exerting back pressure
> stephen> on the filesystem, the filesystem needs to start clearing stuff,
> stephen> and if that means we have to start cleaning things that shrink_
> stephen> mmap didn't expect us to, then that's fine.
> 
> I don't like that, if you put some page in the LRU cache, that means
> that you think that _this_ page is freeable.

Remember that Rik is talking about multiple LRUs.  Pages can only
be on the inactive LRU if they are clean and unpinned, yes, but we
still need a way of tracking pages which are in a more difficult
state.

> If you need pages in the LRU cache only for getting notifications,
> then change the system to send notifications each time that we are
> short of memory.

It's a matter of pressure.  The filesystem with most pages in the LRU
cache, or with the oldest pages there, should stand the greatest chance
of being the first one told to clean up its act.

Cheers, 
 Stephen
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-06-07 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10006060811120.15888-100000@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk>
     [not found] ` <393CA40C.648D3261@reiser.to>
     [not found]   ` <20000606114851.A30672@home.ds9a.nl>
     [not found]     ` <393CBBB8.554A0D2A@reiser.to>
     [not found]       ` <20000606172606.I25794@redhat.com>
     [not found]         ` <393D37D1.1BC61DC3@reiser.to>
     [not found]           ` <20000606205447.T23701@redhat.com>
2000-06-06 23:06             ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it's not " Rik van Riel
2000-06-07  1:19               ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot " Hans Reiser
2000-06-07  1:46                 ` Quintela Carreira Juan J.
2000-06-07  3:45                   ` Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 11:15                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 13:23                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 13:41                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 14:27                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 14:46                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 14:51                               ` bert hubert
2000-06-07 15:20                               ` Quintela Carreira Juan J.
2000-06-07 15:35                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
2000-06-07 15:41                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 15:44                                   ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-07 17:10                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-06-07 17:14                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 17:21                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-06-07 20:16                                   ` Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 21:20                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 21:52                                       ` journaling & VM Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 22:11                                         ` James Sutherland
2000-06-07 22:29                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-08  1:11                                         ` Neil Schemenauer
2000-06-08  1:29                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 20:16                                 ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot just the code) Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 20:54                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 21:29                                     ` Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 21:31                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 21:33                                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 22:20                                         ` journaling & VM Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 21:50                                       ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot just the code) Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-07 19:02                         ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel:it'snot " Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 13:40                       ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot " Chris Mason
2000-06-07 13:47                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 11:12                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 16:35                   ` journaling & VM John Fremlin
2000-06-07 17:11                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
     [not found]                       ` <20000608114435.A15433@uni-koblenz.de>
2000-06-08 21:29                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-09 11:53                           ` Ralf Baechle
2000-06-07 17:48                   ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot just the code) Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 18:01                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 19:58                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 20:56                         ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-07 21:14                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 21:24                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 21:40                             ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-07 21:49                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 22:00                                 ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-07 22:22                                 ` Manfred Spraul
2000-06-09 15:08                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-09 16:52                                     ` Manfred Spraul
2000-06-09 17:23                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-09 18:26                                         ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel:it'snot " Manfred Spraul
2000-06-07 22:28                                 ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it'snot " Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 10:10               ` journaling & VM (was: Re: reiserfs being part of the kernel: it's not " Stephen C. Tweedie
     [not found]             ` <393DACC8.5DB60A81@reiser.to>
2000-06-07 11:00               ` reiserfs being part of the kernel: it's not just the code Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 17:11                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-07 17:13                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-07 17:46                 ` Hans Reiser
2000-06-07 19:53                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie

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