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From: kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com (Kanoj Sarcar)
To: Mark_H_Johnson.RTS@raytheon.com
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, riel@nl.linux.org, torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: 2.3.x mem balancing
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200004261743.KAA16088@google.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <852568CD.0057D4FC.00@raylex-gh01.eo.ray.com> from "Mark_H_Johnson.RTS@raytheon.com" at Apr 26, 2000 11:03:58 AM

> In the context of "memory balancing" - all processors and all memory is NOT
> equal in a NUMA system. To get the best performance from the hardware, you
> prefer to put "all" of the memory for each process into a single memory unit -
> then run that process from a processor "near" that memory unit. This seemingly
> simple principle has a lot of problems behind it. What about...
>  - shared read only memory (e.g., libraries) [to clone or not?]
>  - shared read/write memory [how to schedule work to be done when load >> "local
> capacity"]
>  - when memory is low, which pages should I remove?
>  - when I start a new job, even when there is lots of free memory, where should
> I load the job?

The problem is, every app has different requirements, and performs best under
different resource (cpu/memory) scheduling policies. IRIX provides a tool 
called "dplace", that will allow performance experts specify which threads
of a program should be run on cpus on which node, and how different sections
of the address space should have their pages allocated (that is, on which 
nodes; possible policies: firsttouch, ie, allocate the page on the node 
which has the processor that first accesses that page, roundrobin, ie, 
round robin the allocations across all nodes, etc etc). 

Linux is a little away from providing such flexible options, specially
since it is not even possible to pin a process to a cpu or node yet. 
The page allocation strategies are of course much more work to implement.

For global issues like "when memory is low, which pages should I remove"
the problem is a little more complex. Having a kswapd per node is an option,
although I think it is too early to decide that. I am hoping we can get
a multinode system up soon, and investigate these issues.

Kanoj

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-04-26 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-04-26 16:03 Mark_H_Johnson.RTS
2000-04-26 17:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-04-26 17:36   ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-04-26 21:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-04-26 17:43 ` Kanoj Sarcar [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-04-26 19:06 frankeh
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004250401520.4898-100000@alpha.random>
2000-04-25 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-04-25 17:50   ` Rik van Riel
2000-04-25 18:11     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-04-25 18:33       ` Rik van Riel
2000-04-25 18:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-04-25 19:27       ` Rik van Riel
2000-04-26  0:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-04-26  1:19           ` Rik van Riel
2000-04-26  1:07   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-04-26  2:10     ` Rik van Riel
2000-04-26 11:24       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-04-26 16:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-04-26 17:13           ` Rik van Riel
2000-04-26 17:24             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-04-27 13:22               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-04-26 14:19       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-04-26 16:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-04-26 17:49           ` Andrea Arcangeli

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