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From: kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com (Kanoj Sarcar)
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: [RFC] 2.3.39 zone balancing
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:30:00 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200001131830.KAA72001@google.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0001131806190.1648-100000@alpha.random> from "Andrea Arcangeli" at Jan 13, 2000 06:12:45 PM

> 
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Kanoj Sarcar wrote:
> 
> >+There are two reasons to be requesting non __GFP_WAIT allocations:
> >+the caller can not sleep (typically intr context), or does not want
> >+to incur cost overheads of page stealing and possible swap io.
> 
> You may be in a place where you can sleep but you can't do I/O to avoid
> deadlocking and so you shouldn't use __GFP_IO and nothing more (it has
> nothing to do with __GFP_WAIT).

You are right: the documentation should read:

+Memory balancing is _only_ needed for non __GFP_WAIT and non __GFP_IO allocations.
+
+There are two reasons to be requesting non __GFP_WAIT allocations:
+the caller can not sleep (typically intr context), or does not want
+to incur cost overheads of page stealing and possible swap io.
+
+Non __GFP_IO allocations are requested to prevent filesystem deadlocks.

But I would not say __GFP_WAIT and __GFP_IO have no relationship. __GFP_IO
does not make sense if __GFP_WAIT is not set. 

> 
> But if it can sleep and there aren't deadlock conditons going on and it
> doesn't use __GFP_WAIT, it means it's buggy and has to be fixed.
> 

Well, I thought about that while coding the patch: you can not try to 
outsmart the programmer who writes that code. For example, I was 
looking at replace_with_highmem() which makes __GFP_HIGHMEM|__GFP_HIGH
requests, although I _think_ it can do __GFP_WAIT|__GFP_IO without
any problems. I just assumed that whoever coded it (you/Mingo?) had
some logic, like not wanting to waste time scanning for stealable pages
or incur disk swap to implement this performance optimization (that
would defeat the optimization).

Kanoj

> I have not read the rest and the patch yet (I'll continue ASAP).
> 
> Andrea
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-01-13 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-01-12 21:11 Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 13:40 ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 17:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 17:18   ` Alan Cox
2000-01-13 18:37     ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 20:13       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 21:12         ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 21:40         ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14 12:25           ` Jamie Lokier
2000-01-14 13:43             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 18:52   ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 19:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 21:02       ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 21:34         ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-01-13 21:48           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 21:42         ` Alan Cox
2000-01-13 21:50           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 21:53             ` Alan Cox
2000-01-13 22:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-13 22:13             ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 22:28               ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 22:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-13 23:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-13 23:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-14  0:33                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-14  0:52                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-14  1:08                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-14  2:13                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14  1:17                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14  2:36                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14 20:33                               ` Peter Rival
2000-01-14  1:13                       ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14  2:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14  2:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14  6:22                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-15  2:03                     ` Reworked 2.3.39 zone balancing - v1 Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14  0:28                 ` [RFC] 2.3.39 zone balancing Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 17:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 18:30   ` Kanoj Sarcar [this message]
2000-01-13 19:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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