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I only have a s390x VM with 2 CPUs and no >> way to configure/deconfigure. > > lscpu -e > CPU NODE DRAWER BOOK SOCKET CORE L1d:L1i:L2 ONLINE CONFIGURED POLARIZATION ADDRESS > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0:0:0 yes yes vert-medium 0 > 1 0 0 0 0 0 1:1:1 yes yes vert-medium 1 > 2 0 0 0 0 1 2:2:2 yes yes vert-low 2 > 3 0 0 0 0 1 3:3:3 yes yes vert-low 3 > > # chcpu -d 2-3 > CPU 2 disabled > CPU 3 disabled > # chcpu -g 2 > CPU 2 deconfigured > # chcpu -c 2 > CPU 2 configured > # chcpu -e 2-3 > CPU 2 enabled > CPU 3 enabled Makes sense, thanks! > >>> chmem changes would look like: >>> chmem -c 128M -m 1 : configure memory with memmap-on-memory enabled >>> chmem -g 128M : deconfigure memory >> >> I wonder if the above two are really required. I would expect most/all users >> to simply keep using -e / -d. >> >> Sure, there might be some corner cases, but I would assume most people to >> not want to care about memmap-on-memory with the new model. > > I believe this remains very beneficial for customers in the following > scenario: > > 1) Initial memory layout: > 4 GB configured online > 512 GB standby > > If memory_hotplug.memmap_on_memory=Y is set in the kernel command line: > Suppose user requires more memory and onlines 256 GB. With memmap-on-memory > enabled, this likely succeeds by default. > > Later, the user needs 256 GB of contiguous physical memory across memory > blocks. Then, the user can still configure those memory blocks with > memmap-on-memory disabled and online it. > > 2) If the administrator forgets to configure > memory_hotplug.memmap_on_memory=Y, the following steps can be taken: > Rescue from OOM situations: configure with memmap-on-memory enabled, online it. That's my point: I don't consider either very likely to be used by actual admins. I guess in (1) it really only is a problem with very big memory blocks. Assuming a memory block is just 128 MiB (or even 1 GiB), you can add+online them individually. Once you succeeded with the first one (very likely), the other ones will follow. Sure, if you are so low on memory that you cannot even a single memory block, then memmap-on-memory makes sense. But note that memmap-on-memory was added to handle hotplug of large chunks of memory (large DIMM/NVDIMM, large CXL device) in one go, without the chance to add+online individual memory blocks incrementally. That's also the reason why I didn't care so far to implement memmap-on-memory support for virito-mem: as we add+online individual (small) emmory blocks, the implementation effort for supporting memmap_on_memory was so far not warranted. (it's a bit trickier for virtio-mem to implement :) ) -- Cheers David / dhildenb