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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Sumanth Korikkar <sumanthk@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Support dynamic (de)configuration of memory
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:02:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1efcb368-fcdf-4bdd-8b94-a705b7806bc2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aOX_L1_2S30XhLRA@li-2b55cdcc-350b-11b2-a85c-a78bff51fc11.ibm.com>

On 08.10.25 08:05, Sumanth Korikkar wrote:
>> Care to share an example output? I only have a s390x VM with 2 CPUs and no
>> way to configure/deconfigure.
> 
> lscpu -e
> CPU NODE DRAWER BOOK SOCKET CORE L1d:L1i:L2 ONLINE CONFIGURED POLARIZATION ADDRESS
>    0    0      0    0      0    0 0:0:0         yes yes        vert-medium  0
>    1    0      0    0      0    0 1:1:1         yes yes        vert-medium  1
>    2    0      0    0      0    1 2:2:2         yes yes        vert-low     2
>    3    0      0    0      0    1 3:3:3         yes yes        vert-low     3
>    
> # chcpu -d 2-3
> CPU 2 disabled
> CPU 3 disabled
> # chcpu -g 2
> CPU 2 deconfigured
> # chcpu -c 2
> CPU 2 configured
> # chcpu -e 2-3
> CPU 2 enabled
> CPU 3 enabled

Makes sense, thanks!

> 
>>> chmem changes would look like:
>>> chmem -c 128M -m 1 : configure memory with memmap-on-memory enabled
>>> chmem -g 128M : deconfigure memory
>>
>> I wonder if the above two are really required. I would expect most/all users
>> to simply keep using -e / -d.
>>
>> Sure, there might be some corner cases, but I would assume most people to
>> not want to care about memmap-on-memory with the new model.
> 
> I believe this remains very beneficial for customers in the following
> scenario:
> 
> 1) Initial memory layout:
> 4 GB configured online
> 512 GB standby
> 
> If memory_hotplug.memmap_on_memory=Y is set in the kernel command line:
> Suppose user requires more memory and onlines 256 GB. With memmap-on-memory
> enabled, this likely succeeds by default.
> 
> Later, the user needs 256 GB of contiguous physical memory across memory
> blocks. Then, the user can still configure those memory blocks with
> memmap-on-memory disabled and online it.
> 
> 2) If the administrator forgets to configure
> memory_hotplug.memmap_on_memory=Y, the following steps can be taken:
> Rescue from OOM situations: configure with memmap-on-memory enabled, online it.

That's my point: I don't consider either very likely to be used by 
actual admins.

I guess in (1) it really only is a problem with very big memory blocks. 
Assuming a memory block is just 128 MiB (or even 1 GiB), you can 
add+online them individually. Once you succeeded with the first one 
(very likely), the other ones will follow.

Sure, if you are so low on memory that you cannot even a single memory 
block, then memmap-on-memory makes sense.

But note that memmap-on-memory was added to handle hotplug of large 
chunks of memory (large DIMM/NVDIMM, large CXL device) in one go, 
without the chance to add+online individual memory blocks incrementally.

That's also the reason why I didn't care so far to implement 
memmap-on-memory support for virito-mem: as we add+online individual 
(small) emmory blocks, the implementation effort for supporting 
memmap_on_memory was so far not warranted.

(it's a bit trickier for virtio-mem to implement :) )

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-08  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-26 13:15 Sumanth Korikkar
2025-09-26 13:15 ` [PATCH 1/4] s390/mm: Support removal of boot-allocated virtual memory map Sumanth Korikkar
2025-09-26 13:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] s390/sclp: Add support for dynamic (de)configuration of memory Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-07 20:07   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08  6:46     ` Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-08  8:05       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 13:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] s390/sclp: Remove MHP_OFFLINE_INACCESSIBLE Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-07 19:39   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 13:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Remove MEM_PREPARE_ONLINE/MEM_FINISH_OFFLINE notifiers Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-07 14:30 ` [PATCH 0/4] Support dynamic (de)configuration of memory Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-07 16:02   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-07 16:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-07 17:56   ` Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-07 19:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08  6:05       ` Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-08  8:02         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-08  9:12           ` Heiko Carstens
2025-10-08  9:43             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08  9:13           ` Sumanth Korikkar
2025-10-08  9:33             ` David Hildenbrand

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