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This information can >>>> be used by users to see how much memory is being used by per-page >>>> metadata, which can vary depending on build configuration, machine >>>> architecture, and system use. >>>> >>>> Per-page metadata is the amount of memory that Linux needs in order to >>>> manage memory at the page granularity. The majority of such memory is >>>> used by "struct page" and "page_ext" data structures. In contrast to >>>> most other memory consumption statistics, per-page metadata might not >>>> be included in MemTotal. For example, MemTotal does not include memblock >>>> allocations but includes buddy allocations. While on the other hand, >>>> per-page metadata would include both memblock and buddy allocations. >>> >>> I expect that the new PageMetadata field in meminfo should help break >>> down the memory usage of a system (MemUsed, or MemTotal - MemFree), >>> similar to the other fields in meminfo. >>> >>> However, given that PageMetadata includes per-page metadata allocated >>> from not only the buddy allocator, but also the memblock allocations, >>> and MemTotal doesn't include memory reserved by memblock allocations, >>> I wonder how a user can actually use this new PageMetadata to break >>> down the system memory usage. BTW, it is not robust to assume that >>> all memblock allocations are for per-page metadata. >>> >> >> Hi Wei, >> >>> Here are some ideas to address this problem: >>> >>> - Only report the buddy allocations for per-page medata in PageMetadata, or >> >> Making PageMetadata not to contain all per-page memory but just some >> is confusing, especially right after boot it would always be 0, as all >> struct pages are all coming from memblock during boot, yet we know we >> have allocated tons of memory for struct pages. >> >>> - Report per-page metadata in two separate fields in meminfo, one for >>> buddy allocations and another for memblock allocations, or >> >> This is also going to be confusing for the users, it is really >> implementation detail which allocator was used to allocate struct >> pages, and having to trackers is not going to improve things. >> >>> - Change MemTotal/MemUsed to include the memblock reserved memory as well. >> >> I think this is the right solution for an existing bug: MemTotal >> should really include memblock reserved memory. > > Adding reserved memory to MemTotal is a cleaner approach IMO as well. > But it changes the semantics of MemTotal, which may have compatibility > issues. I object. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb