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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Ujwal Kundur <ujwal.kundur@gmail.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:25:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1e6fcebf-f74e-46ad-912b-d7df13527aea@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250620190342.1780170-2-peterx@redhat.com>

On 20.06.25 21:03, Peter Xu wrote:

Hi Peter,

> Introduce a generic userfaultfd API for vm_operations_struct, so that one
> vma, especially when as a module, can support userfaults without modifying

The sentence is confusing ("vma ... as a module").

Did you mean something like ".. so that a vma that is backed by a 
special-purpose in-memory filesystem like shmem or hugetlb can support 
userfaultfd without modifying the uffd core; this is required when the 
in-memory filesystem is built as a module."

> the core files.  More importantly, when the module can be compiled out of
> the kernel.
> 
> So, instead of having core mm referencing modules that may not ever exist,
> we need to have modules opt-in on core mm hooks instead.
> 
> After this API applied, if a module wants to support userfaultfd, the
> module should only need to touch its own file and properly define
> vm_uffd_ops, instead of changing anything in core mm.

Talking about modules that much is a bit confusing. I think this is more 
about cleanly supporting in-memory filesystems, without the need to 
special-case each and every one of them; can be viewed a cleanup 
independent of the module requirement from guest_memfd.

> 
> Note that such API will not work for anonymous. Core mm will process
> anonymous memory separately for userfault operations like before.
> 
> This patch only introduces the API alone so that we can start to move
> existing users over but without breaking them.
> 
> Currently the uffd_copy() API is almost designed to be the simplistic with
> minimum mm changes to move over to the API.
> 

Is there a way to move part of the actual implementation (how this is 
all wired up) from patch #4 into this patch, to then only remove the old 
shmem/hugetlb hooks (that are effectively unused) in patch #4?

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-23  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-20 19:03 [PATCH 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types Peter Xu
2025-06-20 19:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API Peter Xu
2025-06-22  7:28   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-23 13:36     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-23  8:25   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-23 13:59     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-23 16:50       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 17:20         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-23 17:25           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 17:56             ` Peter Xu
2025-06-20 19:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm/shmem: Support " Peter Xu
2025-06-20 19:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm/hugetlb: " Peter Xu
2025-06-20 19:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: Apply vm_uffd_ops API to core mm Peter Xu
2025-06-22 19:09   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-23 18:12     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 20:31   ` James Houghton
2025-06-25 21:21     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 21:52       ` James Houghton
2025-06-25 16:56 ` [PATCH 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types Nikita Kalyazin
2025-06-25 20:17   ` Peter Xu
2025-06-26 16:09     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-06-27 13:51       ` Peter Xu
2025-06-27 16:59         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-06-27 18:46           ` Peter Xu

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