From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
"Uschakow, Stanislav" <suschako@amazon.de>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"trix@redhat.com" <trix@redhat.com>,
"ndesaulniers@google.com" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
"nathan@kernel.org" <nathan@kernel.org>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"muchun.song@linux.dev" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
"mike.kravetz@oracle.com" <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
"liam.howlett@oracle.com" <liam.howlett@oracle.com>,
"osalvador@suse.de" <osalvador@suse.de>,
"vbabka@suse.cz" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bug: Performance regression in 1013af4f585f: mm/hugetlb: fix huge_pmd_unshare() vs GUP-fast race
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2025 16:08:44 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1d53ef79-c88c-4c5b-af82-1eb22306993b@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <944a09b0-77a6-40c9-8bea-d6b86a438d8a@kernel.org>
On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:03:07AM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
> On 29.10.25 19:02, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 05:19:54PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > > > > Why is a tlb_remove_table_sync_one() needed in huge_pmd_unshare()?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because nothing else on that path is guaranteed to send any IPIs
> > > > > > before the page table becomes reusable in another process.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel that David's suggestion of just disallowing the use of shared page
> > > > > tables like this (I mean really does it actually come up that much?) is the
> > > > > right one then.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I also like that suggestion.
> > >
> > > I started hacking on this (only found a bit of time this week), and in
> > > essence, we'll be using the mmu_gather when unsharing to collect the pages
> > > and handle the TLB flushing etc.
> > >
> > > (TLB flushing in that hugetlb area is a mess)
> > >
> > > It almost looks like a cleanup.
> > >
> > > Having that said, it will take a bit longer to finish it and, of course, I
> > > first have to test it then to see if it even works.
> > >
> > > But it looks doable. :)
> >
> > Ohhhh nice :)
> >
> > I look forward to it!
>
> As shared offline already, it looked simple, but there is one nasty corner
> case: if we never reuse a shared page table, who will take care of unmapping
> all pages?
Right. That is nasty... :)
>
> I played with various ideas, but it just ended up looking more complicated
> and possibly even slower.
Yeah...
>
> So what I am currently looking into is simply reducing (batching) the number
> of IPIs.
As in the IPIs we are now generating in tlb_remove_table_sync_one()?
Or something else?
As this bug is only an issue when we don't use IPIs for pgtable freeing right
(e.g. CONFIG_MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE is set), as otherwise
tlb_remove_table_sync_one() is a no-op?
>
> In essence, we only have to send one IPI when unsharing multiple page
> tables, and we only have to send one when we are the last one sharing the
> page table (before it can get reused).
Right, hopefully that significantly cuts down on the amount genrated.
>
> While at it, I'm looking into making also the TLB flushing easier to
> understand here.
Good idea ;)
>
> I'm hacking on a prototype and should likely have something to test this
> week.
Thanks!
>
> [I guess what I am doing now is aligned with Jann's initial ideas to
> optimize this ]
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> David
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-19 16:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-29 14:30 Uschakow, Stanislav
2025-09-01 10:58 ` Jann Horn
2025-09-01 11:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-04 12:39 ` Uschakow, Stanislav
2025-10-08 22:54 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-10-09 7:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09 15:06 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-10-09 7:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09 8:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 9:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-16 19:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 18:44 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-16 19:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 19:26 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-16 19:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 20:25 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-20 15:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-20 15:33 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-24 12:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-24 18:22 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-24 19:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-24 19:43 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-24 19:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-24 21:41 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-29 16:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-29 18:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-18 10:03 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-19 16:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-11-19 16:29 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-19 16:31 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-20 15:47 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-03 17:22 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-12-03 19:45 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-10-20 17:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 9:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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