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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: "Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: "Theodore Y . Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@sonymobile.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC-PROTOTYPE 1/1] mm: Add __GFP_FAST_TRY flag
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:02:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1d50a46a-b97f-96b2-8a5c-21075f022f01@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200803163029.1997-1-urezki@gmail.com>

On 8/3/20 6:30 PM, Uladzislau Rezki (Sony) wrote:
> Some background and kfree_rcu()
> ===============================
> The pointers to be freed are stored in the per-cpu array to improve
> performance, to enable an easier-to-use API, to accommodate vmalloc
> memmory and to support a single argument of the kfree_rcu() when only
> a pointer is passed. More details are below.
> 
> In order to maintain such per-CPU arrays there is a need in dynamic
> allocation when a current array is fully populated and a new block is
> required. See below the example:
> 
>  0 1 2 3      0 1 2 3
> |p|p|p|p| -> |p|p|p|p| -> NULL
> 
> there are two pointer-blocks, each one can store 4 addresses
> which will be freed after a grace period is passed. In reality
> we store PAGE_SIZE / sizeof(void *).

So what do you actually have without the dynamic allocation, 8 addresses or
PAGE_SIZE / sizeof(void *) addresses? And how many dynamically allocated pages
did you observe you might need in practice? Can it be somehow quantified the
benefit that you are able to allocate up to X pages dynamically from the
pcplists, vs a fixed number of pages held just for that purpose + fallback?

...

> A number of pre-fetched elements seems does not depend on amount of the
> physical memory in a system. In my case it is 63 pages. This step is not

It may depend, if you tune vm.percpu_pagelist_fraction sysctl. But I wouldn't
know the exact formulas immediately. See pageset_set_high_and_batch(). In any
case for your purpose the 'high' value (in e.g. /proc/zoneinfo) is more relevant
(it means the maximum pages you might find cached) for you than the 'batch' (how
much is cached in one refill).

> lock-less. It uses spinlock_t for accessing to the body's zone. This
> step is fully covered in the rmqueue_bulk() function.
> 
> Summarizing. The __GFP_FAST_TRY covers only [1] and can not do step [2],
> due to the fact that [2] acquires spinlock_t. It implies that it is super
> fast, but a higher rate of fails is also expected.
> 
> Usage: __get_free_page(__GFP_FAST_TRY);
> 
> 2) There was a proposal from Matthew Wilcox: https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/7/31/1015
> 
> <snip>
> On non-RT, we could make that lock a raw spinlock.  On RT, we could
> decline to take the lock.  We'd need to abstract the spin_lock() away
> behind zone_lock(zone), but that should be OK.
> <snip>
> 
> It would be great to use any existing flag, say GFP_NOWAIT. Suppose we
> decline to take the lock across the page allocator for RT. But there is
> at least one path that does it outside of the page allocator. GFP_NOWAIT
> can wakeup the kswapd, whereas a "wake-up path" uses sleepable lock:
> 
> wakeup_kswapd() -> wake_up_interruptible(&pgdat->kswapd_wait).
> 
> Probably it can be fixed by the excluding of waking of the kswapd process
> defining something like below:

Is something missing here?

> what is equal to zero and i am not sure if __get_free_page(0) handles
> all that correctly, though it allocates and seems working on my test
> machine! Please note it is related to "if we can reuse existing flags".
> 
> In the meantime, please see below for a patch that adds a __GFP_FAST_TRY,
> which can at least serve as a baseline against which other proposals can
> be compared. The patch is based on the 5.8.0-rc3.
> 
> Please RFC.

At first glance __GFP_FAST_TRY (more descriptive name? __GFP_NO_LOCKS?) seems
better than doing weird things with GFP_NOWAIT, but depends on the real benefits
(hence my first questions).

Thanks,
Vlastimil


  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-04 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-03 16:30 Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-08-04 17:02 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2020-08-04 17:12   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-04 17:34     ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-08-04 21:04       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-08-04 19:47     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-08-04 19:46   ` Uladzislau Rezki

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