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From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/14] arm64/mm: Add ptep_get_and_clear_full() to optimize process teardown
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:00:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1d2f8e43-447e-4af4-96ac-1eefea7d6747@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4x78VhazGu3cA=W7Nc7yshwHTJjtFYHrCY1SOjC4__qfA@mail.gmail.com>

>> Just because you found a pte that maps a page from a large folio, that doesn't
>> mean that all pages from the folio are mapped, and it doesn't mean they are
>> mapped contiguously. We have to deal with partial munmap(), partial mremap()
>> etc. We could split in these cases (and in future it might be sensible to try),
>> but that can fail (due to GUP). So we still have to handle the corner case.
>>
>> But I can imagine doing a batched version of ptep_get_and_clear(), like I did
>> for ptep_set_wrprotects(). And I think this would be an improvement.
>>
>> The reason I haven't done that so far, is because ptep_get_and_clear() returns
>> the pte value when it was cleared and that's hard to do if batching due to the
>> storage requirement. But perhaps you could just return the logical OR of the
>> dirty and young bits across all ptes in the batch. The caller should be able to
>> reconstitute the rest if it needs it?
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> I really don't know why we care about the return value of ptep_get_and_clear()
> as zap_pte_range() doesn't ask for any ret value at all. so why not totally give
> up this kind of complex logical OR of dirty and young as they are useless in
> this case?

That's not the case in v6.7-rc1:


static unsigned long zap_pte_range(struct mmu_gather *tlb,
				struct vm_area_struct *vma, pmd_t *pmd,
				unsigned long addr, unsigned long end,
				struct zap_details *details)
{
	...

	do {
		pte_t ptent = ptep_get(pte);

		...

		if (pte_present(ptent)) {
			...

			ptent = ptep_get_and_clear_full(mm, addr, pte,
							tlb->fullmm);
			arch_check_zapped_pte(vma, ptent);
			tlb_remove_tlb_entry(tlb, pte, addr);
			zap_install_uffd_wp_if_needed(vma, addr, pte, details,
						      ptent);
			if (unlikely(!page)) {
				ksm_might_unmap_zero_page(mm, ptent);
				continue;
			}

			delay_rmap = 0;
			if (!PageAnon(page)) {
				if (pte_dirty(ptent)) {
					set_page_dirty(page);
					if (tlb_delay_rmap(tlb)) {
						delay_rmap = 1;
						force_flush = 1;
					}
				}
				if (pte_young(ptent) && likely(vma_has_recency(vma)))
					mark_page_accessed(page);
			}

			...
		}

		...
	} while (pte++, addr += PAGE_SIZE, addr != end);

	...
}

Most importantly, file-backed mappings need the access/dirty bits to propagate that information back to the folio, so it will be written back to disk. x86 is also looking at the dirty bit in arch_check_zapped_pte(), and ksm is using it in ksm_might_unmap_zero_page().

Probably for your use case of anon memory on arm64 on a phone, you don't need the return value. But my solution is also setting cotnpte for file-backed memory, and there are performance wins to be had there, especially for executable mappings where contpte reduces iTLB pressure. (I have other work which ensures these file-backed mappings are in correctly-sized large folios).

So I don't think we can just do a clear without the get part. But I think I have a solution in the shape of clear_ptes(), as described in the other thread, which gives the characteristics you suggest.


> 
> Is it possible for us to introduce a new api like?
> 
> bool clear_folio_ptes(folio, ptep)
> {
>     if(ptes are contiguous mapped) {
>            clear all ptes all together    // this also clears all CONTPTE
>            return true;
>     }
>     return false;
> }
> 
> in zap_pte_range():
> 
> if (large_folio(folio) && clear_folio_ptes(folio, ptep)) {
>          addr += nr - 1
>          pte += nr  -1
> } else
>          old path.
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>> zap_pte_range is the most frequent behaviour from userspace libc heap
>>> as i explained
>>> before. libc can call madvise(DONTNEED) the most often. It is crucial
>>> to performance.
>>>
>>> and this way can also help drop your full version by moving to full
>>> flushing the whole
>>> large folios? and we don't need to depend on fullmm any more?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there is any correctness issue here. But there is a problem with
>>>> fragility, as raised by Alistair. I have some ideas on potentially how to solve
>>>> that. I'm going to try to work on it this afternoon and will post if I get some
>>>> confidence that it is a real solution.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> static inline pte_t __cont_pte_huge_ptep_get_and_clear_flush(struct mm_struct *mm,
>>>>>                                      unsigned long addr,
>>>>>                                      pte_t *ptep,
>>>>>                                      bool flush)
>>>>> {
>>>>>       pte_t orig_pte = ptep_get(ptep);
>>>>>
>>>>>       CHP_BUG_ON(!pte_cont(orig_pte));
>>>>>       CHP_BUG_ON(!IS_ALIGNED(addr, HPAGE_CONT_PTE_SIZE));
>>>>>       CHP_BUG_ON(!IS_ALIGNED(pte_pfn(orig_pte), HPAGE_CONT_PTE_NR));
>>>>>
>>>>>       return get_clear_flush(mm, addr, ptep, PAGE_SIZE, CONT_PTES, flush);
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_sm8550/blob/oneplus/sm8550_u_14.0.0_oneplus11/mm/memory.c#L1539
>>>>>
>>>>>> +     */
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    return __ptep_get_and_clear(mm, addr, ptep);
>>>>>> +}
>>>>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(contpte_ptep_get_and_clear_full);
>>>>>> +
>>>>>
>>>
>  Thanks
>  Barry



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-30 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-15 16:30 [PATCH v2 00/14] Transparent Contiguous PTEs for User Mappings Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] mm: Batch-copy PTE ranges during fork() Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 21:26   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-16 10:07     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-16 10:12       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 10:36         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-16 11:01           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 11:13             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 21:37   ` Andrew Morton
2023-11-16  9:34     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-12-04 11:01     ` Christophe Leroy
2023-11-15 22:40   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-16 10:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 10:26     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27  8:42     ` Barry Song
2023-11-27  9:35       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27  9:59         ` Barry Song
2023-11-27 10:10           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 10:28             ` Barry Song
2023-11-27 11:07               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 20:34                 ` Barry Song
2023-11-28  9:14                   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  9:49                     ` Barry Song
2023-11-28 10:49                       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28 21:06                         ` Barry Song
2023-11-29 12:21                           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-30  0:51                             ` Barry Song
2023-11-16 11:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 11:20     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-16 13:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 13:49         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-16 14:13           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 14:15             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-16 17:58               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-23 10:26               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-23 12:12                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-23 12:28                   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-24  8:53                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-23  4:26   ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-23 14:43     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-23 23:50       ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-27  5:54   ` Barry Song
2023-11-27  9:24     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  0:11       ` Barry Song
2023-11-28 11:00         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28 19:00           ` Barry Song
2023-11-29 12:29             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 13:09               ` Barry Song
2023-11-29 14:07                 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-30  0:34                   ` Barry Song
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] arm64/mm: set_pte(): New layer to manage contig bit Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] arm64/mm: set_ptes()/set_pte_at(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] arm64/mm: pte_clear(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] arm64/mm: ptep_get_and_clear(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] arm64/mm: ptep_test_and_clear_young(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] arm64/mm: ptep_clear_flush_young(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] arm64/mm: ptep_set_wrprotect(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] arm64/mm: ptep_set_access_flags(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] arm64/mm: ptep_get(): " Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] arm64/mm: Split __flush_tlb_range() to elide trailing DSB Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] arm64/mm: Wire up PTE_CONT for user mappings Ryan Roberts
2023-11-21 11:22   ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-21 15:14     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22  6:01       ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-22  8:35         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] arm64/mm: Implement ptep_set_wrprotects() to optimize fork() Ryan Roberts
2023-11-15 16:30 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] arm64/mm: Add ptep_get_and_clear_full() to optimize process teardown Ryan Roberts
2023-11-23  5:13   ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-23 16:01     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-24  1:35       ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-24  8:54         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27  7:34           ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-27  8:53             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  6:54               ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-28 12:45                 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28 16:55                   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-30  5:07                     ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-30  5:57                       ` Barry Song
2023-11-30 11:47                       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-12-03 23:20                         ` Alistair Popple
2023-12-04  9:39                           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  7:32   ` Barry Song
2023-11-28 11:15     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  8:17   ` Barry Song
2023-11-28 11:49     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28 20:23       ` Barry Song
2023-11-29 12:43         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 13:00           ` Barry Song
2023-11-30  5:35           ` Barry Song
2023-11-30 12:00             ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2023-12-03 21:41               ` Barry Song
2023-11-27  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Transparent Contiguous PTEs for User Mappings Barry Song
2023-11-27  9:15   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 10:35     ` Barry Song
2023-11-27 11:11       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 22:53         ` Barry Song
2023-11-28 11:52           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  3:13     ` Yang Shi
2023-11-28 11:58       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  5:49     ` Barry Song
2023-11-28 12:08       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28 19:37         ` Barry Song

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