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From: Qian Cai <cai@lca.pw>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	ira.weiny@intel.com, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix a data race in put_page()
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 19:55:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1CFC5A47-3334-4696-89FE-CDF01026B12B@lca.pw> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90ab0b09-0f70-fe6d-259e-f529f4ef9174@nvidia.com>



> On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:27 PM, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2/6/20 4:18 PM, Qian Cai wrote:
>>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:34 PM, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/6/20 7:23 AM, Qian Cai wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
>>>>> I don't think the problem is real. The question is how to make KCSAN happy
>>>>> in a way that doesn't silence other possibly useful things it can find and
>>>>> also which makes it most obvious to the reader what's going on... IMHO
>>>>> using READ_ONCE() fulfills these targets nicely - it is free
>>>>> performance-wise in this case, it silences the checker without impacting
>>>>> other races on page->flags, its kind of obvious we don't want the load torn
>>>>> in this case so it makes sense to the reader (although a comment may be
>>>>> nice).
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, use the data_race() macro there fulfilling the same purpose too, i.e, silence the splat here but still keep searching for other races.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, but both READ_ONCE() and data_race() would be saying untrue things about this code,
>>> and that somewhat offends my sense of perfection... :)
>>> 
>>> * READ_ONCE(): this field need not be restricted to being read only once, so the
>>> name is immediately wrong. We're using side effects of READ_ONCE().
>>> 
>>> * data_race(): there is no race on the N bits worth of page zone number data. There
>>> is only a perceived race, due to tools that look at word-level granularity.
>>> 
>>> I'd propose one or both of the following:
>>> 
>>> a) Hope that Marco (I've fixed the typo in his name. --jh) has an idea to enhance KCSAN so as to support this model of
>>>  access, and/or
>> 
>> A similar thing was brought up before, i.e., anything compared to zero is immune to load-tearing
>> issues, but it is rather difficult to implement it in the compiler, so it was settled to use data_race(),
>> 
>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CANpmjNN8J1oWtLPHTgCwbbtTuU_Js-8HD=cozW5cYkm8h-GTBg@mail.gmail.com/#r
>> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for that link to the previous discussion, good context.
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> b) Add a new, better-named macro to indicate what's going on. Initial bikeshed-able
>>>  candidates:
>>> 
>>> 	READ_RO_BITS()
>>> 	READ_IMMUTABLE_BITS()
>>> 	...etc...
>>> 
>> 
>> Actually, Linus might hate those kinds of complication rather than a simple data_race() macro,
>> 
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/CAHk-=wg5CkOEF8DTez1Qu0XTEFw_oHhxN98bDnFqbY7HL5AB2g@mail.gmail.com/
>> 
> 
> Another good link. However, my macros above haven't been proposed yet, and I'm perfectly 
> comfortable proposing something that Linus *might* (or might not!) hate. No point in 
> guessing about it, IMHO.
> 
> If you want, I'll be happy to put on my flame suit and post a patchset proposing 
> READ_IMMUTABLE_BITS() (or a better-named thing, if someone has another name idea).  :)
> 

BTW, the current comment said (note, it is called “access” which in this case it does read the whole word
rather than those 3 bits, even though it is only those bits are of interested for us),

/*
 * data_race(): macro to document that accesses in an expression may conflict with
 * other concurrent accesses resulting in data races, but the resulting
 * behaviour is deemed safe regardless.
 *
 * This macro *does not* affect normal code generation, but is a hint to tooling
 * that data races here should be ignored.
 */

Macro might have more to say.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-07  0:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-06 13:17 Qian Cai
2020-02-06 13:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-06 13:51   ` Qian Cai
2020-02-06 14:55   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-06 14:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-06 15:23     ` Qian Cai
2020-02-06 23:34       ` John Hubbard
2020-02-06 23:36         ` John Hubbard
2020-02-06 23:55         ` Qian Cai
2020-02-07  0:18         ` Qian Cai
2020-02-07  0:27           ` John Hubbard
2020-02-07  0:55             ` Qian Cai [this message]
2020-02-07 13:17               ` Marco Elver
2020-02-09  1:44                 ` John Hubbard
2020-02-09  3:10                   ` Qian Cai
2020-02-09  7:12                     ` John Hubbard
2020-02-10  7:48                       ` Marco Elver
2020-02-10 12:16                         ` Qian Cai
2020-02-10 12:58                           ` Marco Elver
2020-02-10 13:36                             ` Qian Cai
2020-02-10 13:38                               ` Marco Elver
2020-02-10 13:55                                 ` Qian Cai
2020-02-10 14:12                                   ` Marco Elver
2020-02-10 14:31                                     ` Qian Cai
2020-02-10 16:23                         ` Qian Cai
2020-02-10 16:33                           ` Marco Elver

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