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From: jfm2@club-internet.fr
To: sct@redhat.com
Cc: jfm2@club-internet.fr, H.H.vanRiel@phys.uu.nl, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Two naive questions and a suggestion
Date: 27 Nov 1998 21:14:17 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19981127211417.1877.qmail@sidney.remcomp.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <199811271745.RAA01484@dax.scot.redhat.com> (sct@redhat.com)

> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:45:55 GMT
> From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Cc: H.H.vanRiel@phys.uu.nl, sct@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
> X-UIDL: 62f6721511a1878f885583dcf30990c3
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 26 Nov 1998 19:59:42 -0000, jfm2@club-internet.fr said:
> 
> > My idea was:
> 
> > -VM exhausted and process allocating is a normal process then kill
> >  process.
> >  -VM exhausted and process is a guaranteed one then kill a non
> >  guaranteed process.
> > -VM exhausted, process is guaranteed but only remaining processes are
> >  guaranteed ones.  Kill allocated process.
> 
> But the _whole_ problem is that we do not necessarily go around
> killing processes.  We just fail requests for new allocations.  In
> that case we still have not run out of memory yet, but a daemon may
> have died.  It is simply not possible to guarantee all of the future
> memory allocations which a process might make!
> 

The word "guaranteed" was an unfortunate one.  "Protected" would have
been better.

As a user I feel there are processes more equal than others and I find
unfortunate one of them is killed when it tries to grow its stack
(SIGKILL so no recovering) and it is unable to do so due to
mibehaviour of an unimportant process.  I think they should be
protected and that it is the sysadmin and not a heuristic who should
define what is important and what is not in a box.  We cannot
guarantee the success of a memory allocation but we can make mission
critical software motre robust.

But if you think the idea is bad we can kill this thread.

-- 
			Jean Francois Martinez

Project Independence: Linux for the Masses
http://www.independence.seul.org

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  reply	other threads:[~1998-11-27  2:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-11-19  0:20 jfm2
1998-11-19 20:05 ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-20  1:25   ` jfm2
1998-11-20 15:31     ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-23 18:08 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-23 20:45   ` jfm2
1998-11-23 21:59   ` jfm2
1998-11-24  1:21     ` Vladimir Dergachev
1998-11-24 11:17     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-24 21:44       ` jfm2
1998-11-25  6:41         ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-25 12:27           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 13:08             ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-25 14:46               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 16:47                 ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-25 21:02                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 21:21                     ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-25 22:29                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-26  7:30                         ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-26 12:48                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 20:01           ` jfm2
1998-11-26  7:16             ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-26 19:59               ` jfm2
1998-11-27 17:45                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-27 21:14                   ` jfm2 [this message]
1998-11-25 14:48         ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-25 20:29           ` jfm2
1998-11-25 16:31         ` ralf
1998-11-26 12:18           ` Rik van Riel

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